<p>There are primaries in NY. Party leaders do not pick the party’s nominees.</p>
<p>“There are primaries in NY. Party leaders do not pick the party’s nominees”</p>
<p>Oh so Nita Lowey’s arm wasn’t twisted? Riiiight. </p>
<p>Did you send your letter to Santa already?</p>
<p>“Do you think some random woman off the street can just come in and be the democratic nominee in New York state?”</p>
<p>Of course not. HC is not a random woman off the street. NYers found her acceptable, just as they found the carpet-bagger Bobby Kennedy acceptable for Senate. I always thought that Rick Lazio was as much an outsider to people outside of the NYC orbit as Hillary. I know folks in central NY who have never been out of their county and being from Long Island, as Lazio is, gave him no advantage, even though they generally voted Republican. HC spent real time in those areas and most NYers decided to vote for her.</p>
<p>Nita Lowey could not raise enough money to be competitive.</p>
<p>Personally, the woman who I’m most unhappy about in a NY Senate race is Liz Holtzman. She would have won that race if the Liberal party had not endorsed Javits (who had lost the Rep primary to D’Amato). The vote on the left was split and D’Amato won the seat.</p>
<p>“We all know folks where the parents and kids do similar work.”</p>
<p>I guess I’d be more convinced that voters’ choices just reflected candidates’ natural interest in the family business if there weren’t so much primogeniture in the pattern.</p>
<p>In other words, I think it isn’t a coincidence that Richard Daley, rather than his younger brothers John, Michael, or Bill, became mayor of Chicago like his dad. Ditto George W becoming president rather than Jeb, Neil, or Marvin. Ditto JFK becoming president after the anointed Joe Jr. was killed, and Bobby and Teddy entering the national spotlight in order.</p>
<p>It doesn’t look like inherited expertise to me. It looks like a lot of voters feel more comfortable passing down a crown.</p>
<p>Of course Clinton was more than acceptable to NYers – She got 55% of the vote the first time she ran for Senate and 67% the second time.</p>
<p>Jeb was supposed to be the one to run for President as far as George and Barbara were concerned. However, he lost his first race for Gov of FL when his brother George W. won his governorship in TX. This put Jeb behind George. I think the family still has hope that the Bush brand hasn’t been ruined and Jeb (or Jeb’s son, George P. Bush) can run and win.</p>
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<p>That’s not why a lot of people hate her, but that is a good point!</p>
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<p>That’s true. Daddy bush started crying! CRYING! when he was talking about how Jeb lost. I think they were all very disappointed when they had to go to Plan B. And look how that got all messed up.</p>
<p>By the way, the first woman elected Senator (Margaret Chase Smith of Maine) got there because of who she married. The same, I think, is true of the first woman House member and it is definitely true of the first woman state Governor. </p>
<p>This is the typical historical pattern. I’m not saying that’s great, but it does seem to be the way women break political glass ceilings in the U.S.</p>
<p>Except the first female mayor of a major city
It also took women a while to be able to vote nationally let alone run for office
[HistoryLink</a> Essay: Landes, Bertha Knight (1868-1943)](<a href=“The Free Online Encyclopedia of Washington State History - HistoryLink.org”>Landes, Bertha Knight (1868-1943) - HistoryLink.org)</p>
<p>I think a lot of people hate Hillary because they a bitter about how their own lives have turned up. Hillary has it all; highly educated, mother, senator, poise, very articulate, first lady etc. A lot of the women who hate her will be happy to accomplish about half of what she has been able to do so far. </p>
<p>These haters are living boring lives at wherever they are, and they wish they were Hillary.</p>
<p>She would still have been able to accomplish most of these things even if she had not married Bill. </p>
<p>Bush was able to get to where he is now because of his own hard work. He did not get help from anybody. He is so much intelligent and accomplished that he did not need any help from daddy and mommy.</p>
<p>I don’t hate Hillary; I just don’t see myself voting for the wife of a mass murderer, and who was probably in on the big lie of 1998 that brought us the current Iraq mess. There are just so many better candidates without such an historical legacy.</p>
<p>I was thinking that tega must have an in to better mind altering drugs than I knew were out there- but I agree with you mini.
I don’t hate Clinton ( either one) but I can’t see that the compromising Hilary has had to do already, has made her a better/stronger/ person.</p>
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<p>Although I can guess that Zoosermom is female this is outright sexism even if it pains me to defend Hillary. It’s offensive that Hillary gains her recognition/place because of who she married, but its fine that Bush got his way because who his daddy was. I am sure he got into Yale and business school through his intellect. Harvard Business doesn’t accept many C students from what I know. And he only had a political career because of his last name. But you can vote for him twice, but its just damn right offensive when HC gets something because of matrimony.
This smells of something and it aint egg nog.</p>
<p>I was only a kid in the 90’s so I didn’t know how the right wing treated Hillary, but I think the problem is that there is this disease affecting a small part of this country called Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Otherwise rational people jump of the deep end when it comes to anything involving the Clintons and just throw everything at the wall to see what sticks.</p>
<p>" think a lot of people hate Hillary because they a bitter about how their own lives have turned up. Hillary has it all; highly educated, mother, senator, poise, very articulate, first lady etc. A lot of the women who hate her will be happy to accomplish about half of what she has been able to do so far. </p>
<p>These haters are living boring lives at wherever they are, and they wish they were Hillary."</p>
<p>If it makes you feel good to think that, knock yourself out. Some of us have values that don’t include pimping our husband for personal gain, which is exactly how I see Hillary. She used his sexual transgressions to get where she wanted to be. I find that grotesque. I have a lovely life and wouldn’t want Hillary’s. Oh, and for the record, many democratic women despise her too.</p>
<p>“It’s offensive that Hillary gains her recognition/place because of who she married, but its fine that Bush got his way because who his daddy was”</p>
<p>Sex. It’s about using sex to achieve success. There are words for that.</p>
<p>And your views on Senator Elizabeth Dole?</p>
<p>“And your views on Senator Elizabeth Dole?”</p>
<p>You do know that her career in public life precedes her relationship with her husband, right? Rather than the other way around? Nothing like Ms. Clinton. I did not, however, support her. Do not think her suitable for the presidency and see her as a non-issue and she was never a serious candidate.</p>
<p>I want to make something clear here. I want a woman president, I think women can generally do many things better than men. I just want a woman who can stand alone on her record and accomplishments. I don’t want the first woman president to have an asterisk and I think that Hillary does.</p>
<p>Sure, Elizabeth Dole had an earlier political career, but she certainly gained a good deal from name recognition and networks of political support from being married to Bob Dole, the former Republican nominee for president and Senate Majority Leader.</p>
<p>And HC had political involvement before she married Bill, so it’s not like she never had any independent political life. Since she was married to Bill at a much younger age than Libby married Bob, she had less time to build an autonomous political portfolio. </p>
<p>Furthermore, while I’m not that crazy about HC myself, the people I know who are, don’t do so because they sympathize with her for having an affair. They like her policy positions and think she is level-headed, smart, and experienced. Her views about where the U.S. should go, opinion polls go, are quite popular with the American people, certainly far more than policies promoted by the current president. “Pimping [her] husband for personal gain” doesn’t play any role in why they support her.</p>
<p>I’m also not aware of any reliable data that this is why people support Senator Clinton.</p>
<p>So, ok, you don’t like her for your own reasons, but please don’t attribute your basis for not liking her to people who do like her – it just doesn’t apply.</p>