<p>Where did I apply anythig to people who do like her? Please quote me. I think I was very clear that I was offering MY opinion. I’m not one of those posters who attempts to change minds, because I couldn’t possibly care less what anyone else thinks. What I said was that her husband’s affair made her a sympathetic figure where she had not been. Not quite what you attributed to me. And the reference to “pimping for personal gain” was very clearly MY opinion.</p>
<p>This conversation reminds me of the reason my 83 year old mother gives for not supporting Hillary. She says she doesn’t like her because she stayed with Bill. She dislikes Hillary more for staying with him than Bill for doing what he did. The real irony is that she likes Guiliani. She overlooks all his philandering. I almost got her to admit that she holds women to a higher standard than men, but she’s not quite there yet.</p>
<p>“The real irony is that she likes Guiliani. She overlooks all his philandering. I almost got her to admit that she holds women to a higher standard than men, but she’s not quite there yet.”</p>
<p>It’s not holding HIllary to a higher standard, it’s expecting her to have earned her way. Besides, why shouldn’t women be held to a higher standard? We’re better.</p>
<p>She has no problem with whether Hillary earned her own way or not. She just can’t stand the fact that Hillary didn’t leave him. I suggested that there would have been a lot of single men in the white house in years past if first ladies had made that choice, but Mamie and Eleanor and Jackie didn’t run for president.</p>
<p>“She has no problem with whether Hillary earned her own way or not. She just can’t stand the fact that Hillary didn’t leave him. I suggested that there would have been a lot of single men in the white house in years past if first ladies had made that choice, but Mamie and Eleanor and Jackie didn’t run for president.”</p>
<p>True that. But doesn’t everyone bring their own priorities and baggage to the polling booth? We may not agree with someone else’s priorities or prejudices or personal experience, but isn’t that how we all vote?</p>
<p>“Where did I apply anythig to people who do like her? Please quote me.”</p>
<p>It was my impression, zoosermom, that you believed HC had been elected to the Senate because people sympathized with her. Perhaps I was mistaken in my impression.</p>
<p>Yes and that is why I don’t try to dissuade her - my mother is a contrarian so my trying to change her mind will only give her resolve. Apples falling from trees come to mind.</p>
<p>“It was my impression, zoosermom, that you believed HC had been elected to the Senate because people sympathized with her. Perhaps I was mistaken in my impression.”</p>
<p>You were, but I understand why. Thank you for the courteous response.</p>
<p>“my mother is a contrarian so my trying to change her mind will only give her resolve. Apples falling from trees come to mind”</p>
<p>Hehe. That’s what my husband calls me and I daresay he’s correct.</p>
<p>“Thank you for the courteous response.”</p>
<p>And thank you for the civil dialogue, enabling us to figure out where we agree and disagree.</p>
<p>I hope you don’t mind if I ask if you had the same view about earning one’s way when it came to voting for our current president. In 2000, he had a similar amount of independent political experience and had clearly benefited from name recognition and family connections.</p>
<p>" hope you don’t mind if I ask if you had the same view about earning one’s way when it came to voting for our current president. "</p>
<p>As a private citizen who has no provable record that I can link to, I hope you will take my word for it when I tell you that I did have that concern and others, as well. About competence and about religion, which I don’t hold for Ms. Clinton. I am a republican but I’ve never been a Bush supporter. But, again, I can provide no links or proof positive.</p>
<p>“I think it’s perfectly legitimate to inquire about the details of a candidate’s faith IF that candidate identifies faith as a central part of his/her image and makes frequent references to how that faith informs his/her judgment and decision-making.”</p>
<p>I would like to know, quite clearly and in some detail, whether Romney has repudiated his racist upbringing, and whether any part of his church’s racist doctrine impacted his duties as stake president. It seems to me that this would be quite relevant in a candidate offering himself up for President.</p>
<p>You would think Clinton Derangement Syndrome would have eased after 6 years, but apparently not.</p>
<p>It’s ok if you got everything you’re way cuz of your daddy, but not because of husband. That’s just some weird rule from the vast right wing conspiracy.
I can’t wait for all that to backfire when they pull a Horton on Huckabee, the sexual abuse card on Guiliani, and the religion baiting on Romney.</p>
<p>“It’s ok if you got everything you’re way cuz of your daddy”</p>
<p>Can you provide proof of this assertion?</p>
<p>Well you voted for Bush twice even though he was Daddy’s rich kid .</p>
<p>“Well you voted for Bush twice even though he was Daddy’s rich kid .”</p>
<p>That’s not what you said. Do not attribute to me words that I did not post. Keep your assumptions and presumptions to yourself.</p>
<p>Well generally if you vote for someone you think it’s ok. That’s not that far of a stretch. Don’t get all huffy-puffy over nothing.</p>
<p>“Well generally if you vote for someone you think it’s ok. That’s not that far of a stretch”</p>
<p>Actually it is a stretch when comparing primary votes to general election votes.</p>
<p>Cry me a river. A vote is a vote. You can’t bash Hillary Clinton for marrying her way into political power and then with a straight face say you voted for Bush twice (Even in the General). Well you can, but it isn’t that rational. It reminds of Huckabee and the Clinton Derangement Syndrome. </p>
<p>And I am sick and tired of conservatives who say Bush isn’t a conservative and I really am and that’s why his policies suck. I support Edwards in the primaries, but I can bring myself to vote for Obama if he snatches the primary because he understands progressive philosophy. I would never vote for Hillary either . And if I did vote for her I wouldn’t complain by saying I didn’t vote for her in the primary if the Republicans run Elizabeth Dole.</p>
<p>Are you not smart enough to understand that one votes for the candidate of one’s choice in the primary but whom one is stuck with in the general election. Clearly above your head. Feel free to hold and own your own opinions, but, again, DO NOT attribute to me words or opinions that I have not posted.</p>