<p>Pickens earned his money legally. He is hardly a charlatan. I hope you are having fun occupying wall street, Xiggi.</p>
<p>The Kochs give a huge amount of money to charity, as well.</p>
<p>Let’s talk about the real bogeyman, George Soros!</p>
<p>I have had the great pleasure of working directly with both David Koch and George Soros at different times in my career. Darlings, I could tell you stories! I won’t, but I could. What I find fascinating is how some people just buy into the party line. But, hey, that’s what partisanship is all about. What we should all be worried about is the Nixonian misuse of executive power or threats of same by the Obama administration.</p>
<p>Razor, Mayday was pretty fun this year. Very protesters showed up, and those that did got a lesson from the real 99%. Construction workers chanting and protesting against THEM. businesses mocking them, individual citizens giving individual dirtbags what for. Just so funny to see elected officials catering to them despite popular contempt from all sides of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>I guess this thread is going to be zapped. :)</p>
<p>Give me a Soros story that won’t get this thread eliminated.</p>
<p>I trust the Koch brothers as far as I can throw them. I’m with T Boone Pickens (& not just because it’s fun to say his name!)</p>
<p>Didn’t Pickens want to put wind farms all over the place with government financing?</p>
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No, that would be sleazy. But really, really, really not a nice man. There are times when I would like to be Jym and be able to diagnose people.</p>
<p>That’s good news Zoosermom. </p>
<p>Speaking of Soros. He is a true charlatan. He has never created wealth for anyone but himself. I have to admit he is a brilliant trader. I could use some of his trading skills.</p>
<p>Ok…Zoosermom.</p>
<p>The real issue is fracking. Recent earthquakes in Oklahoma are being tied to Chesapeake and Devon exploration. We can smell the fracking chemicals in our air fifteen miles away from drilling. Water contamination by fracking fluids in the east and elsewhere are old news.</p>
<p>Electric cars are the future.</p>
<p>@parent1986…how do you expect the electricity to power your car will be produced? </p>
<p>Currently, 42% of US electric capacity comes from coal, 25% from natural gas, 19% nuclear, 8% hydro (very regional), 3% wind.</p>
<p>[Electricity</a> in the United States - Energy Explained, Your Guide To Understanding Energy](<a href=“http://205.254.135.7/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=electricity_in_the_united_states]Electricity”>http://205.254.135.7/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=electricity_in_the_united_states)</p>
<p>From an emissions perspective Nat Gas is far more environmentally friendly than Coal.</p>
<p>^^^how do you expect the natural gas to be extracted without destroying the environment? Why aren’t natural gas explorers not required to notify the public of the chemicals they use to frack? (Yes, the laws are well known that allow them to keep the chemicals secret).</p>
<p>Electricity can be produced in more efficient ways than you note, and those ways are being widely implemented.</p>
<p>We have solar at home, and I figure that within 10 years we’ll have an electric car that we’ll charge at home. Most charging will be at night, so we’ll be drawing on electricity generated in not-so-clean ways, but we’ll be offsetting that with overgeneration during the day that gets pumped into the grid during higher demand periods. </p>
<p>Coworkers with a shorter commute than I already have the Leaf and the home solar power setup. </p>
<p>Natural gas vehicles are part of the mix, but not the whole answer. Especially since the electric vehicle future isn’t quite here yet.</p>
<p>[Vermont</a> poised to be first state to outlaw fracking | Reuters](<a href=“http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-usa-fracking-vermont-idUSBRE84718720120508]Vermont”>http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/08/us-usa-fracking-vermont-idUSBRE84718720120508)</p>
<p>Interesting article about what the different states are doing about fracking, including Vermont’s symbolic outlawing of fracking.</p>
<p>ST, I now can charge an electric car at home. Toyota just released a new Rav EV that is very nice. It is good for 100 miles/charge.</p>
<p>It is kind of easy to ban something you are not doing.</p>
<p>I am going to give up liver. :)</p>
<p>“The real issue is fracking. Recent earthquakes in Oklahoma are being tied to Chesapeake and Devon exploration. We can smell the fracking chemicals in our air fifteen miles away from drilling. Water contamination by fracking fluids in the east and elsewhere are old news.”</p>
<p>The above sucks.
I take it moving is impractible? The stench can’t help property values.</p>
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<p>Haha, Razor, it seems that all one needs to do is talking negatively about one the financial pirates to be lumped in the lefty and commie club. I think you must have missed my comments about OWS. </p>
<p>Thanks for the laugh.</p>
<p>Xiggi…I knew you were a self hating Commie. ;)</p>
<p>Pickens is a very slick promoter. You need to keep a good grip on your and the taxpayer’s wallet when he is around.</p>
<p>I will say the the dislocation in natural gas is astounding. It for years sold at a discount to oil on an energy equivalent basis. An mcf of gas was about 1/8 barrel of oil, but was never able to sell for more than about 1/10th the oil price. Now its much lower than that.</p>
<p>You can see why he is desperate. At his age, he may not be around to see the increase in demand, and he has always been ripped about anyone being richer than he is. He must be apoplectic that the low gas prices help Koch Industries.</p>
<p>The drop in natural gas prices is providing benefits for the entire country. If we can figure out how to export it – there are other places around the world that could use the energy. Japan has shut down all of their nuclear reactors and are now burning fossil fuels for electricity. It would be nice if we could supply their needs with our excess.</p>
<p>Or they could build plants in the US to take advantage of cheap electricity.</p>