Naviance

My daughter’s school uses Naviance to aid in the college search. Looking at the admissions scatter plots I can see there are certain schools that are considered “reach” schools in general (e.g. Cornell, Vanderbilt, GA Tech) that have never rejected a student from her HS with my child’s GPA/SAT combination. I assume this would put these schools in more of a match/target school category for her. Thoughts?

You need to dig deeper - What were the intended majors of these students? Were they recruited athletes? URM?

My D’s Naviance data said that she would definitely be a “yes” for Michigan. She and the val were both waitlisted. We found out after the fact that no one from her school had applied to the CoE.

We don’t really have many URMs in our school… some athletic recruitment but minimal. Apps to Cornell for example… bunch of acceptances and rejections with considerably lower stats than her, and not one single rejection with her stats.

Maybe…but there’s a lot you can’t see in Naviance:

-The round of admission that the students applied in

-Whether the students had a hook(s)

-What major/school the student applied to e.g., UIUC CS vs history have very different acceptance rates.

-Other components of the admission process which are important at holistic schools…e.g.,ECs, LoRs, essays, demonstrated interest, fin aid status, etc.

-Many schools show data from the last 3 years, it’s best to just look at the most recent year if you are able to have that view…at some schools what happened 3 years ago is not the current reality.

Your GC might be able to help you sort thru some of these things (admission round, identifying hooked students)…obviously easier at a small school vs large!

Yes, I know there is a lot more that is considered, but it seems students with my daughter’s stats fare well at these schools… Her school does not rank, but my guess is she is probably 2/350 in her class. We routinely send about 15-20 students to the Ivies/T-25 each year.

Apparently what you want us to say is that given no one on Naviance with her stats has been rejected to tippy top schools, she’s a shoo-in!

I don’t think anyone is going to say that.

And what high school gets everyone with super high stats in to say, the Ivy league? My son attends a “top” boarding school, and I see scattergrams for Harvard, Stanford etc full of “rejected” dots in the upper right corner. Extraordinary that every one of your school’s high stat kids was accepted at these sorts of colleges.

Hmmm… I never said anything about “tippy top” schools like Harvard, MIT, Stanford, etc. They are surely reach schools for everyone and yes there are plenty of rejects with similar stats from her school. But the colleges I listed (and some other competitive schools) show no rejections. We are simply trying to build a solid match list for her and Naviance seems to be a tool to help do this.

IMO, you are better off looking at a school’s acceptance rate to determine if they are a match or reach. Cornell, Vanderbilt, and GT (assuming your are in PA based on your user name and not instate) all have sub 20% acceptance rates. That makes them reaches for every student.

As others have alluded to above, Naviance does not ideally serve applicants to multi-college universities, such as Cornell, because it aggregates all the applicants and does not identify which college of the university they applied to. US News is similarly faulty, publishing aggregated freshman class statistics for the university as a whole, when in fact there are differences in the admissions profiles among the university’s colleges.

There have been a few instances I recall where an applicant came here on CC saying they couldn’t understand why he/she didn’t get in, and then found out only after the fact that their stats, while above average for the aggregate university, were only average or worse for the engineering college. for example.

Maybe Cornell is a “target” school for your daughter in any event. I’m just suggesting the Naviance data may not supply all potentially relevant details to best assess this. Though it might be fine, if it turns out the college she would be applying to there is the one the others from her school applied to.

I would imagine/ hope her guidance counselors could supply more background.

We are meeting with her guidance counselor tomorrow for my daughter’s “junior planning conference” so yes, I will be asking her relevant questions in this regard. Just thought I would take a look at Naviance beforehand so I was prepared! We want to do some college visits during the spring and summer, so a good match list would be beneficial.

Naviance will allow the user to click on/off early versus regular decision.

Only if the school loads that detail, which ours doesn’t!

Ours doesn’t either. That would be a very helpful piece of information.

@rockyPA I’m glad you will have time with the GC to go over as well. Our experience with Naviance left me feeling like it really didn’t help. S20 had great stats numerically, and according to Naviance would likely be a match to a lot of top schools. But then the reality of ECs, recommendations, essays, demographics, and just the sheer volume of excellent students out there made it obvious that it wasn’t as clear cut as it originally looked. I think of it like applying for a job…I might think I’m the perfect candidate and that they wrote the job for me specifically, but I have no way of knowing everything else moving around behind the scenes. Good luck as you work through the selection process!

Naviance only shows part of the picture as academic stats hold less than half of the weight, hooks like legacy, race, major, essay, LORs, donations, geography, income, athletics, other extracurriculars etc hold more weight. If we were dealing with a transparent academic stats based system, Naviance could be more useful.

However, if your school is indeed some exclusive institution with no rejections at highly selective reach schools, you sure can consider those schools a match but don’t forget to add a safety.

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Naviance only shows what the results from the students from that specific school were, and even then it only shows the scatter plots of the students who bothered to take the time to input their results.
Naviance doesn’t take into account extracurricular, location, race, background, family connections, and most importantly major, so it is not very accurate.
It is a good initial gauge for GPA and SAT scores, but Naviance isn’t very accurate for estimating if you will get in or not.

Yes, extremely helpful. The Naviance info provided becomes even less useful w/o knowing that important piece of info.

One thing our local public HS does is to make entering Naviance data and “closing the loop” in Naviance a graduation requirement.

Thanks for the replies! I realize that GPA and tests are just a part of the story… but it is somewhere to start. As a top performing student in her competitive high school it just seems that the Naviance data would be somewhat relevant when choosing match schools to apply to.

The other limitation is the small sample size.
On the one hand the sample is “better” because all the applicants are from your D’s same school. so the grading for that particular school is taken into acount in the results.
But on the other hand, it is still a small sample. So the results may not be highly statistically significant.

The results were what they were for those 10 (or whatever) applicants with those scores. But may not have been the same if there had been one hundred applicants with the same scores.

And as other have said these quantifiables do not make up anyone’s whole application.