Not that I’ve heard.
But many coaches do ask for test scores…they may choose not to submit those for pre-reads. If they do submit for thei pre-read, their admissions person may green light the student-athlete and will say submit the score or don’t submit the score when applying.
My son went through recruiting during Covid, so things were a little topsy turvy. He only talked to one UAA school, and they made their offer in May, with no time constraints.
Interesting. I would not agree re: track, but we may have a men vs women difference there. We got plenty of interest from Patriot and NESCAC (and others) and it was not our impression for our set of track events (again, that could make the difference - sprint vs distance vs jumps vs throwing) that Patriot was markedly more competitive for recruiting or in terms of what sorts of times/marks the athletes in each league were running. In fact, the opposite was generally true.
Depends on coach/school. My daughter went through recruiting/pre-read with several NESCACs. One coach said she needed a certain number on the ACT. The others didn’t say she needed a test score (though she was asked early on by EVERY school if she had one and what it was), but it was encouraged, with ballpark scores suggested. Her top choice (where she was told she was the top recruit, and she committed) gave her a suggested score to aim for. At first D was one number shy of that score and the coach said if she didn’t eventually get to that number, she’d submit her test optional. D did eventually get to that number, so it was a mute point, but my point is that each school/coach is different, and it may also depend on how much of an impact recruit your child is viewed as/where they are on the coach’s list. Best for your athlete to clarify in clear language what (if any) test score is needed and what happens if they don’t/can’t get that score.
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You may be right. In the men’s sprints, there seems to be about a 3 tenths difference in times in the 100, which is a pretty good gap, but not a crazy gap like you’d see if you compared a P5 conference championship 100 meter time. My original reply was mostly because people often confuse Patriot and Liberty, so that’s mostly why I asked.
There is a huge gap in Women’s track between the top Patriot League teams and the top NESCAC schools. However, the drop off after Bucknell is huge and the top half of the NESCAC is plenty competitive with the rest of the Patriot League schools for Woman’s T&F.
Seems true that it can vary wildly. Boston University is a legitimate crew program and is a full cut above the Bates/Williams/Wesleyan boats, which often represent the fastest of the NESCACs. But Wesleyan crew rows against UConn most years in the fall head races and always (since I’ve been watching) beats them soundly (I know UConn is not Patriot, but it’s another D1 program). If Wesleyan men’s or women’s basketball played UConn it would be beyond ugly. That’s a good example of how it can really vary by sport, and that’s against a school that has sports that compete in P5.
I think even Williams women’s soccer would struggle if they had to play in the Patriot League, but there are some teams in some seasons where they might be competitive. Having said that, my D who played D3 soccer was recruited by Patriot League schools, so there is some recruiting overlap (though she was a pretty highly valued recruit for D3).
Individual athletes on D3 teams can certainly be competitive for D1 teams and just choose to go to a D3 school. Whether a D3 coach can put together enough of them to be competitive against a top D1 team is another question. Many D3 teams can beat D1 teams, but not many D1 teams that are ranked 1-50.
My daughter was recruited by D1, D2, and D3 teams, but the D1 teams weren’t ranked 1-50. She probably could have made a team ranked #25 (she just wasn’t recruited for them and did not pursue them) or so, but wouldn’t have been a starter. She wanted to be a starter.