NESCAC Recruiting

I looks like you already know the answer to this.

No. But a coach may request what he needs ahead of this - they need end of year grades.

Pre-reads are not particularly complex. They are mostly looking at grades, test scores, possibly school profile. In addition, coaches have a good idea of what it takes to pass a pre-read. They don’t waste time with someone who’s preread wont go through, even if there is the ocasional great athlete on the bubble.

Then you have to choose. The other coach might allow time to decide or the NESCAC coach may tell you that they will make an offer pending the pre-read. It’s ok to ask where you stand on their list.

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This!

Let us know the sport. Lots of people will help you.

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As others have said, prereads start on July 1 (or Aug 1). Based on my experience for recruit class size of say 5 to 7 - Coaches seem to get prereads for say top 2 tiers of recruits. First tier likely gets offers soon after, and then the coach will work down the list depending on how things shake out. So the class could fill up quick, or take a while. Some will still be filling out the class in September for October ED1. Again, this all could be different for sports with bigger rosters.

While it may seem like more to juggle, it is very helpful to be talking to multiple coaches and to be open with them. You can imagine a situation where a student-athlete gets an offer from their #2 school, they can talk to their #1 school coach and politely tell them “my #2 just made me an offer but you are my #1… so I just wanted to check in and see where you are in the process”. You could discuss something similar with the coach if you have an earlier non-NESCAC offer, may be able to get confirmation on whether the athlete is a top tier recruit and very likely to get an offer if the pre-read passes.

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FWIW the coaches will be asking this question as well.

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The coaches are talking to the recruits long before the July 1 ADMISSIONS pre=read. They know who they want, they know who is likely to get in based on years of experience with the prep schools and top high schools. Most coaches are pretty good at guessing admissions with years of experience. A coach may submit 50 recruits for pre-reads, but they know if #1-10 get admissions approval, those are who they want.

And many of the kids know too, and while they haven’t ‘committed to the process,’ in their minds they know where they are going. Many kids at the NESCAC schools have siblings and cousins and former teammates at those schools. They know what it takes to get in, get recruited, and whether they have the right stuff.

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This. If you are a top recruit, at least in baseball and softball my kids’ sports, the coach will let you know ahead of the pre-read (whether it is July or August), especially if the academics are a no-brainer. Another sign that you are towards the top of the list is if they proactively offer you an OV (they put you up with another athlete, pay for local transportation and meals at the school), although getting an OV might not mean you have one of the supported spots locked up, but you are at a higher cut than just getting a pre-read.

Top academic D3 coaches in our experience have been pretty reasonable with the time they give the recruit before they need an answer. In each case, we disclosed that we had other OV’s scheduled, and they were fine with not getting an answer until after the last visit. That however is going to be dependent on the coach and the recruit. If you are number “4”, and numbers 5 and 6 are pretty close, they may give you less grace because they don’t want to lose them waiting for you.

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Most of our D3 OVs happened after pre-read/early fall Sr year, so its important to not make assumptions and ask about the coach’s timeline.

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Yes this happened after the pre-reads for us with visits stretching from early September to early Oct. In any event, you want to do an OV when school is in session.

I agree with the others- the NESCAC coaches are not going to waste their time on athletes who don’t have the stats to get in. The NESCAC coaches my D was in close contact with wanted to know (unofficially) what her grades, test scores, schedule was like well prior to submitting an official pre-read. D was told by one of the NESCAC coaches that she was their top choice and that if she passed pre-read she would get offer ON July 1st. D followed up with asking the coach if she thought there was any chance she WOULDN’T pass pre-read (based on her stats the coach had already seen) and the coach couldn’t guarantee (of course) but said they didn’t believe so. So, some of it is your athlete asking the right questions as noted above, and making sure the coach is aware of your athlete’s stats (before officially submitting them)- all of which offers reassurance, but doesn’t guarantee passing a pre-read, or official acceptance. My D also did ask each coach how many they were taking through pre-read and how many offers they anticipated extending.

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Many NESCAC D3 coaches don’t do OVs though, and some make offers before school starts in the Fall. Something to keep in mind if planning summer visits.

I know many of us know this but just wanted to say it for the benefit of those who don’t.

Like Tonygrace said ask coaches their timelines, they can vary a lot.

ETA: and those summer offers can have a sunset date before school starts too. Meaning it’s not always possible to visit when school is in session.

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My D just went through this process for a bunch of schools last year (NESCAC, UAA, SCIAC, Centennial, NEWMAC, and Liberty League). I can outline our experience which was pretty consistent across a fairly large number (over half) of the NESCACs.

The process for us (fall HS sport, spring club):

Coaches became active/responsive starting in late fall of Junior year. We established rapport and understood mutual interest over the rest of the year and into the first quarter of the new year.
There is alot of recruiting activity for D3 in the spring of Junior year for her sport. She was also being recruited for D1 programs and that activity was also ongoing during this period but it started after her sophomore year and interest was signaled in the fall of her Junior year.

Coaches asked for and were kept up to date on her academics after her fall semester of Junior year.

  • Most of the coaches asked for test scores
  • Some coaches asked for planned senior courses

For the NESCAC schools we could typically tell the level of interest by April. Some were earlier and some were a bit more relaxed. The UAA schools definitely were willing to offer early to try and get a jump on the NESCAC (I presume) when they were sure. We had UAA, Centennial, and Liberty League offers before the NESCAC pre-read process began. She did have unofficial offers from NESCAC schools beginning in April along with feedback along the line of “if I know that you will say yes then you will be the only pre-read for your position.”

The non-NESCAC schools who made offers were all willing to wait for the NESCAC process (though a couple obviously didn’t like it) but I suspect that it is recruit dependent. My D had mid-major D1 offers so she was a strong recruit in her sport for D3.

The NESCAC schools started accepting pre-read materials in mid-July and we were told that previously it was mid-June so submission timing was basically two weeks before the beginning of their ability to make official offers. Materials were submitted either via the coach or sometimes a portal. In every case the coach wanted to review all of the materials before they were submitted, particularly test scores. As mentioned in a previous thread one coach said “Test scores can’t be unseen if submitted but if I just have them in my hand someone can nod yes or no.” Two schools asked for term papers that had been submitted for a grade at her HS.

The NESCAC schools started making offers on Aug 1 and most asked for a two week decision period as a starting point. In my D’s case she had one school outside of the NESCAC who was making their decision in the first week of September and was in her top three. She wanted to wait for that school. She discussed this with her other top schools, got an ok then informed the other coaches.

Once the first week of September rolled around she got the final decision, made her call and closed out the process. I do know that some schools went into October so the process can extend for awhile as coaches go through their lists.

We do know of kids who failed pre-read so it does happen but I suspect that it is on the margin. I think that outright failing the pre-read is less of an issue than possibly running afoul of the NESCAC “banding” system and ending up in a lower band than the coach estimated. This can impact a recruits prospects because the price for taking a “C” band athlete can be pretty high at some schools from what we understand.

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hi - can you tell me how the UAA league schools were with the process? I think for my son in his sport it will be between them and a NESCAC school or a patriot league perhaps?

Patriot League is Division 1. Do you mean Liberty League?

Patriot League is somewhat similar to NESCAC and UAA in terms of competitiveness. The overlap is not uncommon.

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If you mean athletic competitiveness generally, I disagree as it relates to soccer, track & field and rowing. Patriot League is definitely a step up from NESCAC in those sports. And in football, the spread is even greater. I’d expect the same is true of hockey and basketball, but I don’t follow those sports. If you mean swimming and diving, I’ll take your word for it because I have no idea.

The UAA varied quite a bit for her relative to the very consistent process with the NESCAC schools. As a group they made offers as early as April and as late as September. One school in particular stated that they tried to get their recruiting finished and committed by mid-June latest which felt like they were trying to front run the NESCAC schools. This was a middle of the pack school for her sport. The top schools (sport wise) seemed to align with the NESCAC schools in terms of timing with one actually lagging a bit. Offer timing for her sport can be quite position dependent so I am not sure that much should be read into the timing except that there doesn’t seem to be a consistent process and the schools do what works for them.

All of the pre-read requests were the same; transcript, test scores, senior classes. Nobody that my D was talking to offered likely letters but I do know kids who go LL in other sports at a couple UAA schools.

I would tend to agree with this for my D’s sport as well. We talked with multiple Patriot League schools as well and for her sport the top UAA and NESCAC schools are competitive with the bottom part of the Patriot League but the top schools are much stronger.

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That is a nuance I should have added. In some sports, notably football, the Patriot League is top heavy. But perhaps there some league members who are closer to NESCAC. In rowing, even a very good NESCAC crew would struggle against BU, but there are some Patriot League schools, like Colgate, who probably aren’t as fast as the fastest NESCAC boats. I can confirm the latter. And I don’t think the NESCAC 100 meter conference champ ever runs a 10.5, as a Navy sprinter did last spring. But there are probably some Patriot League schools in some sports that are more comparable to the top end of the NESCAC.

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Are NESCAC schools now requiring test scores for admission pre-reads?

Nobody required it but they all asked if my D had tested. The coaches wanted the score themselves and then would suggest whether to send it in. I think that they like to have the option to use it if it is good. It was a NESCAC coach who said “If you send it to admissions they can’t unsee it but if it is in my hand they can nod yes/no”.

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