NESCAC Spoken Here:

For the purposes of this discussion, I’m including Harvard as America’s first LAC. In fact, all the Ivies, with the exceptions of Penn and Cornell were not much more than LACs when they were first founded.

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I agree with that. Still, only Dartmouth was established with Indigenous people in mind.

The reason that there were disparities has to do with the disparities between the cultures of the different communities and churches which established them, as well as their locations.

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My point is that those disparities did not become apparent until the pursuit of wealth became a mainstay of the overall American culture, probably accelerated by the Civil War. And yes, colleges in the NE were profoundly affected by the accumulation of capital centered in that region.

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Hamilton states this regarding its founding:

Those sensitive to language may want to consider that Hamilton avoided an anachronism in this description.

And there’s this:
The Harvard Indian College Scholars and the Algonquian Origins of American Literature | Our Beloved Kin: A New History of King Philip’s War | Yale Scholarship Online | Oxford Academic (oup.com)

Abstract

This chapter recovers the history of the Harvard Indian College and highlights the multiple cultural, literary, and oral traditions that intersected in colonial Cambridge, Massachusetts. It includes analysis of the missionary schools in which Wawaus, or James Printer, a young Nipmuc scholar, and his Wampanoag, Patucket, and Nipmuc peers were trained alongside English students. Native scholars were trained in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew literatures and participated in the production of the first bilingual works of American literature, including the “John Eliot” bible, printed at the Harvard Indian College, where the first printing press in the colonies was housed.

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So that’s two, with WIlliam and Mary being the third. However, the vast majority weren’t.

In fact, it’s much more accurate to say that the wide disparities in missions has to do with the wide range of religious groups and reasons for establishing a college. Some were established to educate young men to be in the clergy, some were there to educate young men for jobs that required a higher level of training that basic school, some were established to provide an the sort of education that was considered appropriate for a Young Man of Breeding, etc.

The differences between LACs are not larger than the differences between private universities, for the same reasons. Duke, Vanderbilt, and Princeton differ as much as WIlliams, W&L, and Swarthmore.

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I think at this point, we’re just being argumentative. Any further parsing of the meaning behind “native Americans, the isolated farm villages of New England and other “heathens”” might better be pursued via PM. :smiley:

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Those darn Yankee Heathens!

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Those Men of Breeding:

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A brief look at NESCAC women’s cross country (I know you all are fans!). This season, Amherst women have been knocking it out of the park in major XC meets, winning them. They have four first years who have powered this surge. Really impressive.

Williams traditionally has been a power in running, but until this weekend they hadn’t really impressed. They lost to Amherst at the Little Three meet to start the season. They then ran well at low-key, more obscure meets. No real idea of how they good they really were.

This weekend, there was the Connecticut College Invitational, which had 10 NESCACs and nationally ranked teams from the east coast. Well, let me tell you, Williams had a hell of a coming out party. They dominated the other 9 NESCACs, including Amherst.

Going into the NESCAC Championships in two weeks, Williams is now the favorite. We’ll see if Amherst regroups and challenges them. Also, Tufts looked really good. After Williams and Amherst, it’s a three team battle for 3rd place in the conference: Tufts, Middlebury, Conn College.

Wesleyan will be the 6th place team, most likely. Bates the 7th place team. Right now, it seems the NESCAC will get 6 teams to the NCAA Championship (that includes Wesleyan). There’s an outside shot NESCAC would get an unprecedented 7 teams to nationals, possibly Bates or Hamilton.

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Didn’t Bates accept women and people of color almost from inception?

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In other news, the Head of the Charles was last weekend and it was another glorious day at the Charles River for this regatta. The NESCACs swept the race in the Collegiate division, which is really cool. Tough regatta, where you can race across divisions.

NESCAC results:

(1) Tufts
(2) Wesleyan
(3) Williams
(5) Bates
(8) Trinity
(9) Tufts B
(10) Hamilton
(12) Trinity B
(14) Middlebury
(15) Wesleyan B
(17) Colby
(19) Bowdoin
(22) Hamilton B
(27) Williams B

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That is my understanding.

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More HOCR pictures: Williams and Wesleyan each had an entry in the Grand Masters Eights, which is 60+ year olds. For all the old Cards and Ephs who still love to represent their school and who stay in decent enough shape to row 4,800 meters in a hurry, here are some images of your people at the Charles.





I blurred the faces that would otherwise easily ID individual people, even though this is a very public event. I hope this does not violate the TOS.

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It was such an exciting day (my daughter is a freshman on the XC and track teams)! My husband ran XC for Amherst, so she especially enjoyed the opportunity to rub Williams’ dominant win over the #5 team in the country in his face a bit!

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Very cool! I know one of the Williams’ freshmen, Kate Tuttle, has been leading the team. Your daughter and the other freshmen are putting Williams in a good position for years to come. On the men’s side, my D25’s high school teammate Malcolm Oakes is a freshman for Williams, and he was fantastic in the White Race.

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Yes, but practically speaking, it didn’t make a huge difference at first. The first woman student graduated about 14-15 years after the college opened, and the first Black student graduated about ten years after that. I don’t have the numbers available, but I think the populations of both demographics were pretty low for a long time.

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Fun fact: In 1850, Yale was the largest college in America. It had 447 students.

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The good ol’ T formation – smashmouth football at its finest.

Although those TEs might want to correct their stances, lest a DE or OLB lines up outside of them. They might as well just come out and say, “We’re blocking down.”

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I just read this article and found it interesting.

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