NESCAC Spoken Here:

The exception footnote reads:

Under the exceptions, the student must be carrying at least one-half the normal full-time work load for the course of study that the student is pursuing, as determined by an eligible institution, and be enrolled in a course of study necessary for enrollment in a program leading to a degree, certificate, professional credential or certification from a State that is required for employment as a teacher in an elementary or secondary school in that State.

I read that to mean that people getting teaching credentials are exempt. I don’t know about PhDs but most Masters students pay tuition.

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I don’t know why Princeton is NESCAC’s favorite Ivy, but we’d better start a separate thread on the subject of Endowment Tax Exemptions for R1 Universities. Go Tigers!

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The vast majority of grad students at Princeton are not paying tuition. They’re headed for PhDs.

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Change of subject. Do watch Ian Baucom’s address “Hello, Middlebury”. It’s excellent and a great way to set the agenda on his first official day in the job.

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Glad he’s committed to solving the MIIS conundrum within the first year.

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It seems to be only a matter of time before Middlebury divests itself of MIIS. It’s time to ditch Monterey - The Middlebury Campus

Sounds reasonable. In addition, they would fetch a very handsome price if they sold it to Northeastern :innocent::face_savoring_food:

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Or, maybe, you know - move it to Middlebury?

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The Bread Loaf seems only to be utilized in the summer, and it’s for other language programs. For the price of the Monterey campus, they could probably expand the Ripton campus and still have money to run the place for years.

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Am I understanding this article correctly that wealthy small colleges—such as Amherst, Williams, Bowdoin, Hamilton, and others like Davidson—not only won’t face an increase in the endowment tax, but will be exempt from the current 1.4% tax altogether? These 26 Rich Private Colleges Just Got A Tax Cut From Republicans

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Start here:

That is how I read it.

With the new law, all schools with under 3,000 students [full-time equivalent tuition-paying students] are exempt from any endowment tax. From the Forbes article:

The Parliamentarian ruled that those three House provisions—exempting religious-affiliated schools, exempting schools that don’t take federal aid, and excluding foreign students from the per capita calculation—didn’t pass the Byrd test.

At that point, Republican senators settled on the 3,000-student threshold in large part to specifically exempt one school from the tax: Hillsdale College, an ultra-conservative, Christian liberal arts college in Hillsdale, Michigan and a GOP darling. It enrolled 1,794 students in 2023, had an endowment worth $584,000 per-student, and notably accepts no federal money, including student aid. (So both the religious exemption and the one for schools taking no federal student aid would have presumably shielded Hillsdale from the endowment tax—before the Parliamentarian gave them the thumbs down.)

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Northeastern does not “buy” campuses, they merge them into the university. The only flow of money is into Northeastern.

They’ve obviously been following our thread. :grin:

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These schools were rich. Now they’re rich and lucky.

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As well as generous meet need colleges since the threshold is 3,000 tuition paying students
 at these colleges, full tuition grants could be students whose family makes less than 200k (or it’d be very easy to adjust so that they only have 2,998 tuition paying students)
=> I just ran the Princeton NPC; a full tuition grant is family contribution=25k;
With 215k income, 4 ppl, 1 kid in college, 12k savings/investments, family contribution=28k
With 180k income4 ppl, 1 kid in college, 7k savings/investments, family contribution=20k

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Another article highlighting the new law’s unequal impact on endowments:

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Although we don’t have data from the CDS about the number of waitlisted students who are offered admission but decline, I’d guess that the yield for these students is higher than the typical RD yield, and that some colleges use this to their advantage.

Many colleges are sending out a blanket “are you still interested in staying on the WL” email after all decisions have come out and the May 1 deadline has passed. Why? To know which students are still in play. Can someone who has already been accepted to their dream school indicate they’re still interested just to score another notch on their belt? Sure. But many will pass.

Obviously many students who really want to get off the WL send additional LOIs and other materials over the summer—another strong indicator that a student is still in play and would be more likely to accept an offer of admission from the WL.

I’ve also been reading more and more posts on other forums about waitlisted students (who’ve already opted to stay on the WL) getting a call from a college asking if they’re still interested in attending before an offer of admission is made, then being given a very tight deadline to respond.

If a waitlisted student says upfront, “no—I’m committed to Yale,” is the college recording this as an official acceptance? They should be and I’m sure most (like Williams) do, but some may not. The phone call means there’s no written record of an offer being made.

All this to say that colleges have a pretty good idea of who is more likely to accept an offer of admission after May 1, and will use this information to maximize yield when it’s necessary to go to the WL.

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I am not so sure that schools who make a “feeling out” Waitlist phone call to a candidate who declines to commit actually record this as an official offer. (This is likely in contrast to an emailed waitlist offer of acceptance.)

Have been privy to a few of these calls with our family and close friends. In these situations, the Admissions phone call wasn’t “We’d like to make you an offer if you are still interested.” It was more along the lines of “If we made you an offer, would you accept it.” UChicago, Wesleyan, Middlebury, Case, to name several. Given they wanted a commitment even before the verbal offer was made, I doubt these were recorded as offers by Admissions when the candidate response was “no, I’m committed elsewhere, but thank you for the call.”

To my knowledge, none of the NESCACs record both # of waitlist offers and # of waitlist acceptances. This further suggests that some Admissions offices treat waitlist-related admissions data quite carefully when combining it with overall admissions data.

On another note, Williams’ yield model must have really misfired last year. 113 is a high number of WL admits for an elite SLAC, but we still don’t know if this captures the entirety of its WL offers (the feeling-out phone call that isn’t recorded). It probably does since its such a high number, but hard to say for sure.

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This is a good point, but the idea of “a good strategy is to stay small” applies to almost all elite colleges AND universities in the US. Many elite universities could expand but choose not to, not because of limited resources, but it is hypothesized, to maintain the brand and exclusivity (like Rolex, or Hermes).

Why don’t elite universities expand? Great podcast on this from Freakonomics: The University of Impossible-to-Get-Into (Update) - Freakonomics

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