NESCAC Spoken Here:

Fwiw, my kid liked Trinity. His classmate who attended was happy (and very much outside the white, Greek, athletic demographic )

He has colleagues (who have become and remained friends) who are alums and who fit the demographics better. They all enjoyed their experience and have thrived post grad.

Really, I think this is a fit school. Maybe more than others. If you’re talking yourself into it, perhaps the odds are higher that you’ll be trying to transfer out. But if you visit and feel good about it, you’re likely to enjoy yourself while getting a great efucation.

Btw, our CC used to show schools without names that had the same student stats and vastly different admissions rates and cost. This was about a decade ago so not sure if still applicable, but one pair was Trinity and Wooster. Different cultures and geography, but comparable in many other ways.

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I think Trinity’s chapel and Jarvis/Northam/Seabury Halls offer some of the most attractive and unique architecture in the NESCAC. It’s hard to beat the Long Walk on a crisp autumn day.

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In other NESCAC news, a NESCAC tradition has made national news in a poll of sports rivalries. If you have any NESCAC pride, go vote for the Little Three. It’s matched up against some pretty big sports rivalries and is holding its own, currently ranked #6 out of 20.

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I mean, it’s ahead of some pretty iconic traditions.


Agreed, particularly IMO the cathedral:

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Imagine if the original Burges master plan had come to fruition!

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While I don’t know anything about Conn College’s campus, I do know that the top NESCAC women’s distance runner hails from there. Grace McDonough finished 2nd in the NCAA D3 5000, and 3rd in the NCAA D3 1500. And she’s back for one more year.

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Conn’s campus is lovely. On a hill overlooking the Sound. What’s not to like?!

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And don’t forget about Alexa Estes, at 2:09, the best Half-miler in the NESCAC and NE DIII who is also coming back, as is Blessing Kieh, the top sprinter and a freshman (and also all-American). The women’s track team is quite good. That Conn Coll can have decent sports without a heavy sports culture is to its credit. Opposite of Trinity which definitely has a heavy sports culture.

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Pretty useful. I’ve asked ChatGPT to create tables of colleges showing what their ED/RD dates are, admit rates for ED/RD, student body size etc. pretty good after a few iterations.

For college tours, Google’s Gemini is excellent as it combines with Google Maps to give a complete itinerary. Ask it for the best way to visit Williams,Colby, Midd, Wes, Colgate, Swarthmore etc and it will come back with routes, times, where to stay etc.

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Just double check the data it provides, because it is almost always wrong.

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Inside Higher Ed article about a new initiative at Hamilton College that is aimed at helping student learn to “fail Better”:
How One College Aims to Help Students Fail Better

“Rather than viewing struggles with attention spans or technology disruptions as failure, we want to reframe these as natural learning adaptations that require support and guidance,” Chan said.

The campaign will launch this fall. In preparation, Chan and his team are creating mindful interventions to encourage students to take risks and learn from failure. For example, in academic advising, students may need encouragement to take a challenging course and view it as a meaningful risk.

“I want to create a campus culture where failure is reframed as an essential component of learning, innovation and personal growth,” Chan said.

Interesting approach at Hamilton.

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Love this! So important!

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This is great. Unfortunately, many employers want to see GPA, or students worry about grad school. This sits squarely on the other side of a policy like this.

I am fully in favor of taking risks, struggling, and not excelling. If I am paying to learn, it shouldn’t only be what comes easily - I might even be able to do that on my own!

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Huge inference in a comparison of an apple and a monkey. My goodness, “Yale” is a name with which even the most unsophisticated person I know is generally familiar. “Middlebury” is a name that escapes many educated, urban, professional people. It’s not even close from a branding standpoint. Different galaxies.

I think it may well be plausible. With exponentially increasing access to information for the general public who spend more time on the internet than ever before, with more rankings and related commentary being thrown around the web, with the real branding strides that the NESCAC has made in the last handful of years, particularly among the club sports demographic(1), with all of that and more I can see how Midd would scoop up another 4 to 6 thousand qualified applications, especially if they did anything to make it easier to apply.

There are a lot, and I mean A LOT, of people out there who think universities are what you attend when going to college, and everything else for those people is hopelessly obscure. The LAC is a creature of the informed, not of the people who pull their knowledge of higher ed from watching Gilmore Girls. Going from zero to some level of increased recognition is different than going from famous to famous. Yale didn’t get more well known over a short time span, but it is plausible that Middlebury did.

It is the rare bird with a substandard GPA and test score who is going to say, “what the hell? let’s throw in an application to a small private college in the middle of nowhere in a middle of nowhere state 3,000 miles away from where I live.” Those people apply to Berkeley, to UCLA, to University of Texas, Michigan, some of the Ivies they’ve heard of, Vanderbilt, Duke … again, household names. Small private colleges appeal to intellectual kids almost exclusively.

(1) At my Ds’ well known and well regarded premier soccer club based in Redmond Washington, a club full of kids of Microsoft, Amazon and other tech company professionals, the recruiting arm didn’t focus on LACs at all back when my oldest started. For those kids who weren’t headed for D1 play, the next level of focus was D2 and if you weren’t good enough to get traction there they pretty much encouraged you to get over playing college soccer and move on with your life. By the time my youngest was out, they were fully engaged with the NESCAC as a brand as well as plugged into sending kids to the PNW and California LACs. They had plenty of kids who were D1 capable players (like my youngest) choosing small college play for the academics, which brings the NESCAC right into focus. That’s just one club in one sport. That was a marked change that happened over a relatively short period of time.

PS: see my post above regarding a USA Today ranking of college sports traditions that includes the Little Three rivalry amongst such titans as Texas A&M’s 12th Man, Ohio State’s band dotting the i, and more.

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Colby Bates and Bowdoin campuses are all lovely. BUT get outside of Colby and you have Waterville…ugh, boring, small and not much there. If you love the cold and snow -then love Colby and skiing! Bates is in Lewiston! Yikes the scary area and all the crime around it. Lewiston is awful and would not recommend sending your children anywhere near there. Campus nice but small so where does one go then? Bowdoin - near Portland which is/was a really nice small city but now overrun with homeless, drug encampments. Colby wins with those 3. BTW I grew up in the area between Colby and Bates, family still lives and works there and I visit often and have kids who could/can go there. Williams, Amherst great and safer. I would put Bates on par with the Trinity area.

Bowdoin is 30 miles from Portland airport. Bates is 37. Not much of a difference. Students from either school aren’t frequenting the city much, likely just the occasional concert or clubbing.

Bowdoin is an easy walk to the downtown area of Brunswick, which has several blocks of shops and restaurants. It’s a quaint, safe location. IMO > than both Colby and Bates settings.

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Oh, come on. My kid goes to Bates and loves it, and is quite fond of Lewiston. Rough around the edges? Sure. But to her, it seems authentic – not as quaint as Brunswick, but has a lot more going on than Waterville. She and her friends take normal precautions at night, like you would in any city, and have never had a problem (of course, the mass shooting a couple of years ago was tragic but a huge aberration in a state with some of the lowest murder rates in the country). When she gets off campus, she sometimes heads for a nearby restaurant, or she spends time by the coast or hiking and birdwatching in nearby natural areas. She loves Portland, too, though she goes there only occasionally. Again, normal precautions, but I’ve spent a lot of time in Portland over a few decades, and I have to wonder about your frame of reference for safety if you’re warning people away from it. Normal urban problems, but still a lovely city – one of my favorite small cities in the country.

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I’m having a hard time reconciling these two statements, and then concluding “Colby wins with those 3.” I can think of other great reasons to choose Colby, but they have nothing specifically to do with Waterville.

Clearly NESCACs tend to be located in small towns, some more rural than others, and they aren’t for everyone. But it’s not like these kids are locked down for 4 years straight like a prison encampment. 4 years less summers and holidays and study abroad and long weekends and sports competitions and road trips to Montreal/Boston/NYC…

They are on campus for about 100 weeks with study abroad, with lots of interruptions and travel during those “4” years.

Oh, the great sacrifices that must be made to attend some of the best colleges in America…

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