<p>Drexel would be one, FTW (sorry, your screename is too long) [Drexel</a> BIOMED Website](<a href=“http://www.biomed.drexel.edu/new04/]Drexel”>http://www.biomed.drexel.edu/new04/) or RIT [and</a> RIT - Department of Biomedical Engineering - Home](<a href=“http://www.rit.edu/kgcoe/biomedical/]and”>http://www.rit.edu/kgcoe/biomedical/) is another.</p>
<p>FTCDad…NC resident??? NC State University for engineering. </p>
<p>2boysima, The requirements of your proposed new thread fit my S2 to a tee. He is a soph. at East Carolina University…football at ECU is huge.</p>
<p>PackMom… thanks for the recommendation, that is a college that i have been telling him about for a while now and he seem pretty interested</p>
<p>kathiep… I’m assuming that you meant me, in which case thanks because those are also two colleges he has on his list, recently he has become enamored with RIT but he seems to be growing weary of Drexel due to the criticism of its campus and a drive-by he had as he visited Temple on a school trip to Temple and Rutgers</p>
<p>2boysima… I would be in that thread just as soon as you make it because my son is a football junkie. He is one of the few ppl I know who watched every waking minute of the draft and every televised bowl game when it was in season</p>
<p>FTC dad, Has your son considered doing this program? [RIT</a> College & Careers Homepage](<a href=“http://www.rit.edu/emcs/admissions/careers/index.php]RIT”>http://www.rit.edu/emcs/admissions/careers/index.php) </p>
<p>However, if your son is big into sports then NC State seems like a better fit. I understand that the favorite “sport” at RIT is computer games.</p>
<p>kathiep, that seems like a good program and i showed him your sports comment and he had a good laugh but would still consider it one of his tops. He was wondering what are his chances at RPI and does the fact that he has won and placed in a couple of school and long island science and engineering fairs help his chances?</p>
<p>FTCDad - He might want to take a look at WPI. I’m very impressed with their hands-on program. Lots of great opportunities to really practice engineering.</p>
<p>WPI and RPI are both wonderful colleges but definitely reaches for B students. My son loved WPI and he’s going to apply but we won’t have our hopes up. WPI has a neat summer program too. Have you looked at that? We know several kids from son’s HS that are at Rensselaer. One of the good things about both of those schools is they will look at more then just the stats on the applications.</p>
<p>One more college - small and maybe more of a safety - <a href=“http://www1.wnec.edu/engineering/bme/index.cfm?selection=doc.2172[/url]”>http://www1.wnec.edu/engineering/bme/index.cfm?selection=doc.2172</a> but looks interesting.</p>
<p>FTC dad, if he loves playing football, would he like to try it at the Division 3 level, where kids who were not outstanding HS players can play while still having time to study? The breadth of offerings at small schools is less, but the class sizes are much smaller and the chance to work directly with a professor excellent.</p>
<p>Otherwise, I think RIT and WPI are good suggestions and he might look at Stevens in Hoboken, NJ; Lafayette in PA; Northeastern in MA; and Alfred in NY.</p>
<p>mom2sons, he received something from them in the mail originally and casted it away because he didn’t like Boston. However since a school trip to boston he has grown to lke the city and now that you mentioned WPI he is gonna do some more research on it. Thanks!</p>
<p>kathiep, thanks for the advice on both, we’ll probably do the same thing hoping for acceptance next year and actually he has been considering WNEC as a viable safety</p>
<p>yabeyabe2, he definitely has considered playing D3 football and has a legitimate chance due to a good year last year in a good program and with big expectations for next. That is one of the reasons why he has come to like RPI, WPI, WNEC and others</p>
<p>Northeastern can be a reach for a B student, especially for Engineering.</p>
<p>Lafayette is also not known as a B student school, especially for engineering. Lafayette is local for us and it’s the A students that go to there and to Lehigh, also around the corner.</p>
<p>A very good football player who is already 1300+ on the SATs could well be of interest to Lafayette and Lehigh (or possibly Bucknell). There are not that many of them to go around. Northeastern just dropped football, but may offer lacrosse.</p>
<p>Except that Lehigh and Lafayette are both D-1 so that would be a real different game for someone like FTCdad’s son.</p>
<p>A young man from my kid’s HS was the best baseball AND basketball player in this area. Voted the athlete of the year by the local paper. He was a B student, did about the same as FTCdad’s son on the SAT and was looked at by many colleges, including a few D-1 schools. The only places he really got good “merit” offers were D-3 schools. This worked out well since his parents ended up paying about the same as our local state schools and their son will be graduating next month after four years because he actually had time to study. He played just one of his sports in College.</p>
<p>However, all bets are off if FTCdad’s son is a recruited athlete and plans to play football in college.</p>
<p>The Patriot League does not offer football scholarships and is not part of the big time football section of Division 1. It is set up to match the Ivy League and the leagues play each other’s teams to fill out their league schedules, avoiding the schools in what is called the BCS Division (all the well known football conferences and independents), which would destroy them. They are in the FCS subdivision of Division 1, formerly called Division 1-AA. The quality of football and committment required is much closer to Division 3 than BCS, but it is well-suited for kids who want to graduate in 4 years.</p>
<p>There are powerhouse FCS subdivision schools. The one in our state. Appalachian State University, a three time national champion is very serious about football, as is James Madison U. and several others who are traditional powers in that classification.
If FTCDad’s S is serious about continuing football, it would require careful investigation of the program’s demands. Football and engineering could be a tough mix.</p>
<p>Yayabeyabe, I’ll defer to your knowledge about Football divisions. Having never really explored that, most of my information is from this forum and from my friend that I mentioned above.</p>
<p>I will still argue that a low B student would have a hard time getting into the Pennsylvania colleges that you’ve mentioned. Not impossible, but that they would be reaches. According to the the sites that I usually look at the average GPA at Lehigh was a 3.5 on a 4.0 scale. </p>
<p>I like your idea PackMom of Ap State in NC and James Madison in VA. </p>
<p>It’s easier doing the college search if you can narrow the search by figuring out the priorities of the student. We’re still working on that with my son and we’ve seen quite a few colleges now. The only thing we’ve maybe ruled out is that PSU MIGHT be too big!</p>
<p>PSU is very big, but the dozens of alumni I know all liked it and I recall seing its 4 year graduation right was much higher than Maryland and Rutgers.</p>
<p>And I agree that Lehigh and Bucknell (significantly more than Lafayette at our HS for some reason) are A student schools for non-hooks. </p>
<p>Appalachian–which defeated Michigan 2 years ago–gives football scholarships. The Ivies and Patriot League may be the only FCS schools which do not. Some felt that the only reason the Ivies and Patriot schools were not assigned to Divison 3 is because the Ivies have the oldest football history, and the Patriot schools are their football partners, they were owed the favor of not being “demoted.”</p>
<p>The good news for atheltes is that those schools allow their kids to either take the Spring off or play other sports, while the Division 1 norm is “football only”. In addition, in Division 1, most kids are “redshirted” freshman year, while they add weight and muscle, which I believe the Ivies and Patriot League do not allow unless a player is injured.</p>
<p>Patriot League schools generally don’t play the BCS schools but there are exceptions. Colgate, for example, will be playing Syracuse next fall. I think the quality of Patriot League footblall is much closer to the lower quarter of the BCS squads than it is to most DIII schools. </p>
<p>As far as admissions go, I think a B+ student-athlete definitely has a shot at Lehigh, Bucknell, Lafayette, Holy Cross and even Colgate given they have taken a rigorous courseload in high school and have decent standardized test scores (which I would define as 600+ per section). The Patriot League football and basketball players I have known/met have definitely been student-athletes as opposed to athletes who happen to be attending college, but most of them had academic profiles well below the 75th percentile which often passes on CC as the benchmark a prospective needs to meet to have a decent “chance” at admission.</p>
<p>Syracuse doesn’t even belong in D-1 for football; my pick would be on Colgate for that one…lol…</p>
<p>around these parts, B+ students to Lehigh, Bucknell, etc have been athletes and/or ED full pay kids…and gobs of honors and AP’s (yes, even the athletes)</p>
<p>for some reason, Lafayette has an “easier” stats profile? maybe because they have a “rolling” ED process? no idea…</p>
<p>Old news about Syracuse, rodney. They sent the message through Rutgers last fall that the Greg Robinson era was over. Colgate is going to have a very difficult time, just as it did in the 50s when they were a staple, along with Cornell, of the Syracuse schedule.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t say that Lafayette has an “easier” stats profile with their recruited athletes. Maybe, but there is no data out there to compare. Except for the overall student body, of course. As with recruited athletes everywhere, it is easier to get an offer of admission if you are bringing something to the table that is in demand. If School XYZ has a cornucopia of quality running backs your chances of getting in are much less than at School ZYX which just lost their top three RBs to graduation (as Lafayette did this year).</p>