<p>“Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?”</p>
<p>Uh, make that “hearts of man” … the dead guy was a kid. Only one man involved.</p>
<p>“I had to shoot. The kid was threatening me with the can of tea.”</p>
<p>^nope…Z was threatened at all…he just decided to walk up to Martin and shoot him in the chest simply because he was black…that’s the thread consensus…right?</p>
<p>“case closed then…should he get the death penalty or life in prison?”</p>
<p>I’ve noted previously that Z is a victim too. If the Sanford PD thought they were doing him a favor by letting him go … well if so then they were wrong about that too. Here’s hoping there is a trial, and the country can put this sorry episode behind us.</p>
<p>^^ go back and read Hunt’s comments. That’s where you’ll find the thread concensus.</p>
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<p>When my son was 11, the marshall of a local golf course threatened to call the cops on my son and his 10-year old friend who were throwing sticks on the course. When my son told me about it, I called the marshall’s boss to report him for being a jerk. He put the marshall on the phone, who again threatened to call the police on my son, so I threatened to call the police on him for threatening 10-year-old boys. That was the end of it. Looking back, it was all very bizarre. Those things happen and they are not institution-worthy. We are all looking out for our best interests and safety.</p>
<p>Why us it that by expressing upset over this completely preventable death, expecting an arrest, we are accused of executing Z. He deserves a trial.
He is the one who was jury, judge and executioner.
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<p>When I was home on break from college during my first year, there was a cranky “get off my lawn” neighbor on my floor who called the cops on a neighboring family for excess noise around 4 pm. Heard that info from my father as I was coming home from running errands/exercise and the cops arrived on my floor to see what was going on from both that cranky neighbor and the family in question. </p>
<p>When it was all said and done…and both sides were talking loudly enough to attract the attention of several neighbors…including myself and father…it turns out the “excess noise” was the type you’d expect from a group of elementary school aged siblings arriving home from school around 3-4 pm in the afternoon. </p>
<p>Once the cops found that to be the case from questioning both sides, the cops went to the cranky neighbor and read HIM the riot act for “Wasting their time” on something that wasn’t only a non-violation…but something that he should know is a normal part of life in a neighborhood/building full of families with school aged children. They also informed all of us that “excessive noise” of the type that neighbor complained about or something similar would only constitute a noise violation in NYC if it occurred AFTER 11 pm on weekdays and some later time on Friday/Saturday nights.* </p>
<p>They also told that cranky neighbor that if he called them again for a matter that’s similar in circumstances to then incident…he’d be arrested. Upon hearing that, the rest of us neighbors…including 3 seniors applauded the cops.</p>
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<li>In practice, this seems to be selectively enforced based on age of violator/complainer and/or whether the neighborhoods are populated mostly by college students/young single adults or mostly by young families/senior citizens.</li>
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But sometimes it’s a used car salesman in a duck suit.</p>
<p>Just sayin’.</p>
<p>Is anyone else bothered by the fact that the so-called audio “experts” can show that Z said f***ing “coons,” “cold/coat/code,” or “punks,” depending on who is asking?</p>
<p>We can always find an “expert” to say what we want them to say.</p>
<p>^. Yes, Bay. It doesn’t really sound like any clearly identifiable word to me. I listened and said up thread that it could as easily be “coat” as anything else. But if I was listening to it as a juror, and if the sound quality was what I most recently listened to, I would conclude that it could be any number of words, or no word at all, just the grunting of someone getting out of a car… That grunt of exasperation we all make under our breath on occasion, and not related to anything other than the physical effort of whatever he was doing at the moment. I think he was getting out of the car?</p>
<p>I discussed this with several people last night. One dad asked if I recalled that a few years ago there had been a series of peeping-tom incidents in a very large apartment complex. There were 3 or 4 reports by people who had seen a “white male” looking in their first floor window. There was not much more detail other than it happened at night and that when the apartment dweller moved towards the window, the guy disappeared. </p>
<p>Well this guy’s daughter lived in this complex in one of the 14 clusters. He recalled that the tenants were on edge and that on several occassions after these reports, the daughter had called 911 upon seeing a white male at night that she did not recognize as one of the tenants who was “walking slowly” within the adjacent cluster. </p>
<p>Also, one other female tenant’s boyfriend had seen a white guy on the walk near his girlfriend’s apartment at night who was walking slowly and who turned around and went the other way when the boyfriend came into sight. This resulted in a shouting shoving match between the two as the boyfriend (who happened to be hispanic) caught up with the guy and demanded to know what he was doing. Turned out that the guy was the out of town teenaged brother of a tenant and was confused because all clusters are layed out on the same pattern.</p>
<p>Racial profiling by the daughter since she called on several different white guys who weren’t doing anything wrong other than Walking While White? Unreasonable reporting? Unreasonable to approach and question because of what had been going on in the complex? Not in my opinion.</p>
<p>It is the fact that no one was carrying that makes the difference. Texas is a concealed carry state. It could have had a Martin/Zimmerman outcome. If one had been armed and the boyfriend had ended up shooting the guy in a fight over the gun, I can see that the result might be a no-bill or not guily.</p>
<p>Some people have commented that Z was “racial profiling” when he decided to follow Trayvon, due to his 911 history of having reported black males in the past. It is my understanding that the issue of “racial profiling” as a civil rights violation applies only to government/law enforcement, and is irrelevant to actions by private citizens. Meaning, yes, it is possible that Z decided to follow Trayvon because he was a black male, but he is allowed to make that decision as a private citizen.</p>
<p>Several posters have expressed strongly that a hoodie is just another item of clothing like any other. Well, I suggest that each parent might want to check the local law. Especially if your son or daughter likes to wear the hood pulled way over the brow and/or likes to tuck their chin down the neck with the hood up. It is against the law in several states.</p>
<p>[CND:</a> State Codes Related To Wearing Masks](<a href=“http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/mcs/maskcodes.html]CND:”>CND: State Codes Related To Wearing Masks)</p>
<p>If anything more than the US’ experience with the hooded KKK needs mentioning, consider where “hoodlum” came from.</p>
<p>[Trayvon</a> Martin killing: When did hoods become associated with illicit activity? - Slate Magazine](<a href=“http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/03/trayvon_martin_killing_when_did_hoods_become_associated_with_illicit_activity_.html]Trayvon”>Trayvon Martin killing: When did hoods become associated with illicit activity?)</p>
<p>Bay, in fact, a person can sue another person for civil rights violations.</p>
<p>Isn’t liability of a non state actor under section 1983 limited to joint action or conspiracy with a state actor?</p>
<p>katliamom, Yes, but would there be a cause of action in this case? I don’t know. If there is, it would not be “racial profiling,” I don’t think.</p>
<p>To 07Dad’s point: Hoods, hats and sunglasses are prohibited in most banks.</p>
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<p>I think we can all agree - Treyvon Martin is guilty beyond reasonable doubt of wearing a hoodie.</p>
<p>^ I’m surprised he wasn’t shot and killed long before now. Talk about death-wish behavior!</p>