New Dog: Not What We Expected... Advice?

<p>Definitely do a puppy in a cat established household. </p>

<p>My professional organization has started sponsoring search and rescue dogs. These are rescue dogs that may not be fit for a family or adoption, not because they are mean, but because they are perhaps too high strung. They are carefully screened and trained, and if they do not “graduate” the program, they are placed in foster care or adopted to a similar home. Perhaps something like this would be a good fit for your new pet?</p>

<p>It is admirable that you have adopted a rescue. Although breeding for personality is good advice, you might try your local shelter for a particular breed, even fullbred, before spending big bucks at a professional breeder. There are some shelters, particularly in areas where workers/families are transferred often, that will often have what you are looking for. I live in Louisiana, and we get many animals from a nearby shelter in an oil industry community. I have seen full bred Persians, Siamese cats, up for adoption, at a kill shelter, who were surrendered because their owners lost their job, got transferred overseas, started working offshore for an extended period of time. </p>

<p>Also, following disasters, you can find good pets that are surrendered because owners literally lost their homes. Such was the case in Katrina. There were recent storms in Alabama and North Carolina where families lost homes due to tornadoes, and you may be able to provide a good home for a family’s pet that they can no longer provide for.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Regarding breeders… ex-H and I were members of a breed club for many years (he was even VP). I can say that certainly some breeders provide good advice. But certainly not all. Our club had its share of what I would consider reputable breeders, and some that were not. Just like any group of people :)</p>

<p>Also, a purebred dog is no guarantee of certain personality traits. I have a lab that I inherited from a family member that died several years ago. The dog was about 3 years old, and is very unfriendly to people outside our family and other dogs. This is not a typical lab trait, and people (even our vet) are surprised when I tell them. She bit an elderly woman the first year we had her… so this is not an exaggeration.</p>

<p>I have met TONS of friendly, lower key mixed breed dogs that I would trade my lab for in a heartbeat. I love her, but she is still pretty hyper and high maintenance even at eight years old. Just saying…</p>

<p>I do agree with those who say that (1) an adult dog is probably a better choice than a puppy for aibarr – if nothing else, you have a much better feeling for their personality in a short time, and they are likely to be calmer, and (2) have a trial period during which you can bring the dog back (play days, a couple of days overnight, etc.).</p>

<p>It has probably been said but the words “low key” and “lab” should not go together. They are hunting dogs and are miserable and can be destructive without tons of exercise. I know there are labs from which the hunting instinct has been almost bred out of them, but don’t count on it. I’m surprised, given the type of dog that the OP wanted, that a lab mix was ever considered. Throw another working breed into the mix and you double the trouble. Research dog breeds carefully and choose one that better fits the lifestyle.</p>

<p>Many reputable breeders rehome their retired show and breeding dogs. Usually, however, such dogs don’t go to first-time dog owners. One of the potential problems here is that the really good breeders–the ones who will take the time to get to know an owner and find out what they need, then match the puppy to the family–generally have waitlists. It’s just SO much easier to get a dog from rescue or from a bad breeder. </p>

<p>There’s a list of questions that you should ask anyone who is selling or giving away a dog. I’ll look it up and post the link here later today.</p>

<p>I guess I lucked out with WildChild’s choice of breeder/dog. Well, except for the fact that he is gigantic. My Golden LOVES his cats (of course, he came as a puppy) and all of our cats have loved him. They nuzzle him and curl up with him. Our Golden was an energetic puppy, but not all that bad.
My sister’s Greyhounds were a little over 2 when each one came to them. They had been in foster homes. Both required a LOT of adjustment work. One was afraid of people (now adjusted) and one was afraid of “things” (my mother’s wheelchair, trashcans etc) (also now adjusted). I would say they were easily as much work as a puppy. And, yes, all they do is veg on their beds and on the couch all day. They get let out in the yard, sprint beautifully for 30 seconds, pee and poop, and come back in to rest.</p>

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<p>Yup, that’s pretty much it for Pnutbutter our red fawn greyhound.</p>

<p>And he is a little freaky about things. We can’t have anything in our hand, like the garbage or a package, when we go out of the door to take him for a walk. He gets freaked out. After three years he decided that he would no longer eat out of his food bowl, which had been raised to accommodate his height. He’ll only eat now if we set the bowl on the ground. Otherwise, a very estimable animal if somewhat restrained.</p>

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<p>That was my initial reaction when I read the OP’s post. I know tons of people with Labs…they are generally not laid-back dogs. In fact, the word ‘hyper’ comes to mind when I think of all the Labs I know. They are usually very friendly though.</p>

<p>aibarr, I’m so sorry you’re going through this. I’m furious at the “rescue” operation and would report them immediately.</p>

<p>Whether you keep the dog is up to you, but I wouldn’t feel guilty about not keeping him. I gave up a dog once who simply didn’t get along with her sister. We got them as puppised, and they growled and barked constantly. My then-young sons were afraid to even go outside or play with the dogs. It was obviously one was the instigator and simply was higher maintenance and difficult to handle (ran into the street when older and got hit by a car). Anyway, you have to do what is right for you and your household. </p>

<p>But, yeah, rethink the lab.</p>

<p>Dogster (which, sadly, is being acquired today :() has a ton of great resources for prospective dog owners. Here is one article:</p>

<p>[Top</a> Dogs Good with Children](<a href=“http://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/top-dogs-good-with-children]Top”>http://www.dogster.com/dog-breeds/top-dogs-good-with-children)</p>

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<p>Re: Labs. There are actually two types of Labs- what many call the field Lab (thin, rangy, high energy)- and the English (large, big-boned, block heads, shall we say a bit more sedentary). I have owned both types. The field dog required an enormous amount of exercise; constantly wanting to run, play, fetch, anything active. Our current lump- er English- lab, while active, does not seem to crave the high intensity workouts of our previous Lab. His idea of a good workout is a nice stroll, greeting the neighbors, and just being master of his domain. So don’t rule out a Lab. </p>

<p>OP - I know this is a hard decision, and I wish it was easy. I hope you’re able to find something that works out.</p>

<p>So sorry you are going though this, aibarr, but as you said, you don’t need more stress, and if you are worried that you have to be vigilant with them when you are home, or that the cats might be tormenting chloe when she is crated and you are at work, than that wil lead you to potentially have anticipatory anxiety, which you dont need.</p>

<p>When we adopted a dog, we got one from a purebred rescue group. They are wonderful people, and very good about placement. We got a 4 yr old cavalier king charles spaniel, and he was absolutely wonderful, with a sweet, gentle disposition. Can be perky when you wnat to play, but all they want to do is cuddle and please you.</p>

<p>I am a long time purebreed breeder, but I first send people to rescue (and I started the rescue for my breed in our state - it is one of the best in the country for the breed)
I am not in favor of OP returning the dog because I don’t think the rescue she adopted from was responsible and will likely not be again. I don’t trust any rescue that lets anything but the smallest puppies go without altering. I am also concerned how the dog will be placed by that group again. That is why my advice was to get the dog healthy, keep the cats safely in another area and find a more suitable home for the dog. Elicit the help from another mixed breed rescue. Most legit rescues will post the dog on their website and send adopters your way. No it is not the OP’s fault, but neither is it the dog’s and she is the one that will ultimately suffer by being returned to that <em>rescue</em>. There are good breeders and not so good breeders, the same can be said for rescue</p>

<p>OK. A little bit of an update.</p>

<p>Before anything else… We no longer have fleas, we no longer have worms, we no longer have kennel cough and puppy has already been to the vet and has received all manner of necessary treatment and checkup. We’re the kind of people who take in stray animals and readily surrender our wallets to emergency vet clinics for strangers’ pets–there is no way that an animal in our custody would want for health care. Chloe is now a happy young pup in the pink of health, thank heavens.</p>

<p>I’d forwarded this thread to my husband yesterday, and after reading it, he had some thoughtful input to pass along to me; I’ve taken it and added my own thoughts and in this post, along with a general update of how we’re all getting along. </p>

<p>First, let me say that my husband is the consummate Dog Guy. He loves dogs, any dog, and whenever he comes across a dog in a friend’s house, he makes it his unspoken mission to become the dog’s pack leader. The dog, in a matter of minutes, takes to my husband like a fish to water. They looooove my husband. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard friends say, “Oh my gosh, I’ve never seen our dog [sit/stay/heel/fetch/behave] on command before…” If anybody has the initiative and temperament to train a dog, it’s my husband.</p>

<p>Secondly, since he’s an adjunct professor who teaches mostly in the evenings, my husband’s home most of the day. The first day we got the dog was, of course, one of the days when he was teaching half the day and wasn’t able to play with her, go figure. Our schedules are pretty staggered, so we’re able to be home and supervise/play with the pup pretty well. There’s not a lot of time that she has to spend in her crate. We’re not really a low-energy couple (we rented a 4WD and plowed off into the wild unknown of Costa Rica for our honeymoon), so it’s possible that if we got a low-energy dog, we’d exhaust the poor thing. I don’t know. It’s hard to evaluate what energy level you are… even more difficult to consider what energy level you OUGHT to be. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that we are, in fact, high-energy enough to absolutely love having a high-energy dog.</p>

<p>Third, and most importantly… my husband and I have a wonderful sense of ‘team,’ I’m blessed to be able to say. Though we’re young, we’ve been together ten years, and it’s been ten years of intensive relationship-building time. We’ve been able to strike a good balance of doing what’s good for each of us as individuals, but also being graceful enough to know when we need to do what’s best for our nascent family. I have full trust in my husband’s and my ability to arrive at a conclusion that will be the healthiest, best conclusion that we can arrange for all involved. Though he showed a rare moment of visible emotion while haltingly saying so, he admitted yesterday evening that he’d come to terms with the fact that it might be best to give up the dog. He said that all he wants is a dog that I love and trust, and that what he wants is a dog, any dog, that I approve of. Let me pause a moment right now and reiterate-- I love this man. Have I said I love this man? I do.</p>

<p>Yesterday my husband took Chloe for a run and completely wore her out. She snoozed for a good part of the afternoon, and then was a loveable sweetheart the rest of the evening, calmly padding from room to room, sticking closely to my heels. There was some skittering of cats when they were taken by surprise, but no hissing and no chasing.</p>

<p>Of the two cats, I’ve mentioned that one is standoffish and a bit of a manipulative twit. We love her dearly, but she’s the kind of princess who, given the opportunity, would not hesitate to give up her kibble for caviar. She’s used to getting her way, and my husband’s glad to indulge her, even though she greets his kindnesses with a prominent show of hissing and prissy yowling. I’ve never seen twelve pounds of fluff boss a full-grown man around like this cat bosses my husband around… it’s really a sight to behold. “I <em>have</em> to sit here and pet her while she eats,” my DH once said, rooted to the floor of the kitchen, “…she gets mad at me every time I get up to leave,” right before we all decided that it was best not to give in to the cat’s every whim.</p>

<p>The other cat is an affable tabby. He’s large, a little bit dumb, and sweethearted. He’s a 21-pound lap cat, three feet tip-to-tail, purebred Chicago Street Cat. He has an affinity for hoarding Q-tips, playing with closet doors, and giving great hugs wherein he wraps his arms around your neck and just snuggles. Houseguests adore him. He’s the perfect cat. He’s always friendly and generally imperturbable. He’s the alpha of the two cats, the adventurous one, and he’s just happy to have a sun spot to lay in. He’s also incredibly trainable, oddly enough for a cat-- he’s both physically and temperamentally malleable.</p>

<p>If I’d had to place a bet about this, I would have lost all my money. Never in a million years would I have thought that the tabby would be the one to have a problem with the dog, and that the princess would be brave enough to go up to the dog and sniff it while it was sleeping on the floor outside the crate. I kind of feel like if our Miss Priss of a cat can handle the newcomer, then with a little cajoling, our big guy can come around, too. It feels a little less insurmountable now that I’m seeing our problem cat warm to this canine intruder.</p>

<p>We’ve decided that we’re going to be cautious, but that we’ll give it a try… It’s only been a week. We’ll give it a month before we decide upon anything. We’re going to do a little confrontation of the rescue group, first and foremost to get the dog’s available medical and intake history, but secondly to tactfully explain what condition we received the dog in, and to then evaluate what action needs to be taken subsequent to the conversation. We’re going to start things in motion to have her spayed so that we can take her to the bark park and so she can socialize with other dogs, either in a puppy play-date setting, or in an obedience class, or for a couple of days a week at doggie daycare, or all of the above. Meanwhile, we’re widening the no-fly-zone between cat territory and dog territory, and we’ll continue to be careful to project the idea that the humans are top of the pack, then the cats, then the dog. We’re going to keep having supervised visits between the cats and the dog, and we’ll see if everybody starts to chillax.</p>

<p>Cross your fingers for us. It’s a mess, and we’ve careened into something that we didn’t particularly intend to careen into, but it’s very possible that our oil and vinegar will blend into a lovely vinaigrette soon enough. Here’s hoping.</p>

<p>Thank you all, as always, for your thoughtful and well-reasoned advice. It’s a comfort to know that this community is here.</p>

<p>I am happy you are going to have the dog spayed, whether you keep it or not. Wishing you much luck.</p>

<p>What a great post aibarr - I love your husband too. </p>

<p>Yes, exercise may be the key. I loved, loved my lab. He was straight out of a hunting family and demanded exercise, particularly swimming, no matter the temperature or weather. When he got plenty of it, he was the calmest, most focused dog ever. When he didn’t he ate the house. He was the smartest dog I have ever known. </p>

<p>I wish you continued success.</p>

<p>Well, Tabby is Alpha Cat…</p>

<p>A tired dog is a good dog.</p>

<p>aibarr glad things are going a bit better. Pet families have their dynamics. It does take getting used to each other. Sounds like you are going about things ok. </p>

<p>We have a mixed family, dogs and cat. I am more of a cat person, and H is a dog person. The personalities of our pets have changed over time, since some died due to old age, and disease. One thing our vet told us, when we went from one dog and one cat to two dogs and one cat was that the cat would find its way. He did. Then our old lab died, and then the cat got sick and died in middle age. Then we got a new cat, from a rescue, who is a bit mental. I think she had some problems before we got her. Anyway, for as timid and tiny as she was, she got used to our remaining dog, and then a few months later, our new puppy. The new puppy posed some problems for the then 5 year old dog, but they get along well enough now. While I do think the older dog and the cat might have preferred to be “only” pets, I think they all benefit from each other when we are out, and they are not alone.</p>

<p>I like having a few pets, but the complications do go up with more “tails”. In the last few months, one dog had its stomach pumped from eating advil (quite a big emergency vet bill, and I was the one who had done the pumping on advice of our regular vet - it’s too long a story for here), and then the two dogs got in a fight with each other (and yes, they usually do like each other, but after all they are dogs, and can not always be reasoned with), and the little one got a gash in her face. It was a clean cut, so it looked like a nail cut her, not a bite. Anyway, then we were upset because it was evening and another large emergency bill was in the offing. It was too large to just heal on its own. Fortunately, my H is an MD, and even though he never stitched a dog before, he sewed her up. It has healed well. This is not even all of it. Anyway, my point is it is wear and tear on the owners as well. Cats are much less troublesome in general, but I would miss my dogs if I did not have them.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

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Just a quick note: spaying is going to give you at least a week of quiet-dog time. It’s serious enough surgery that she’ll come home from the vet zoned out from the anesthesia - and painful enough that she’s going to want to take it easy for several days. (Not horribly painful - and they give you pain meds for the dog – so I don’t mean that she will be whimpering or miserable --it’s just that her body will be letting her know that she needs to take it easy). Your post-surgery instructions will tell you to keep her quiet and avoid vigorous activity for about 2 weeks (I think), so as not to risk tearing out stitches. So that also will be a little bit of respite from high-puppy energy (even if she is 9 months old, that’s still a puppy in terms of energy level) – and also maybe a good opportunity for some bonding time with you, as I’m sure she will enjoy some TLC as she recovers.</p>

<p>Glad to hear about your progress, and hope Chloe will work out for you! :slight_smile:
Will send a PM when I have time.</p>