<p>just saying that there is usually somethhing behind the scenes…and its not such a stretch, not in politics!!</p>
<p>“just saying that there is usually somethhing behind the scenes…and its not such a stretch, not in politics!!”</p>
<p>Northeastern democrats would not be putting up a curtain for Senator McCain.</p>
<p>Behind the scenes: I’m McGreevey’s case, it’s behind the stall door in a dirty NJ Turnpike restroom. Even less romantic than TGI Fridays…</p>
<p>seems he had to do that to be in politics…we are a nation of homophobes to a large degree and men often lead double lives because society won’t accept them</p>
<p>If he had been able to be who he was all along and not feel the need to deny it, to hide it, then there would be none of this</p>
<p>Society has some responsibility in this- we get all huffy about some group that goes out and protests funerals and bashing gays, but that group is just out there with it, while many people hide their dislike for LBGT people, but have the same feelings to a degree but aren’t so public</p>
<p>There are many gay men who married back in the day and lived sad lives of loneliness…look at Huffington…it is sad that people can’t be who they were born to be…and have to pretend to have certain jobs…sad indeed</p>
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“Huffy”? Are you comparing those horrible, awful, outrageous disgusting Phelps lunatics who protested the funerals of Eve Carson, Lauren Burk, and many servicemen killed in Iraq and who “hide” under the guise of religion with people who aren’t openly willing to express discriminatory feelings? I am so hoping this is not what you mean.</p>
<p>No I am saying that the beliefs are the same for many people- that homosexuality is wrong- how they deal with it is different to be sure, but the core belief for many is the same…they just aren’t so public,</p>
<p>look at gay marriage, gay rights, and how many oppose them…just because people don’t openly show their hatred in such an awful manner, doesn’t mean they don’t have it</p>
<p>Some people are uncomfortable with things they are not familiar with. The Phelps lunatics are horrible, awful hate mongers. Sick, sick people. To me, this is like comparing the kids who lived behind us when we were growing up, asking where our horns were, to Nazis or KKK members. Ignorance can lead to differing degrees of discriminatory feelings. Those Phelps lunatics are waaaay at the far end of the “off the deep end” spectrum. I can only hope that most run of the mill “closet homophobes” (for lack of a better term) are not so disgustingly radical in their thinking.</p>
<p>way of the deep end to be sure, but their core belief is that homosexuality is bad and evil, and you know that many “reasonable” people believe the same thing…and that is why gay men hide who they are…</p>
<p>and when you have the same fear or hatred, it shows up in hiring, renting of property, adoption and many other aspects of life…</p>
<p>look at the white supremecy movement- they used to be in your face, but now they play the game- they dress like the rest of us, they use different words, but underneath, the hatred is still there</p>
<p>Society bears absolutely no responsibility for McGreevey & his wife’s personal decisions and actions. There are many openly gay politicians, actors, and other very visible public figures. Not to mantion singles who choose not to make their sexuality known, as it has no bearing whatsoever on their jobs or public life. Society is quite accepting of this.</p>
<p>Your huffy comment is quite remarkable. I don’t even know how to respond, because you seem to be equating a voter who would frown on homosexual behavior & be uncomfortable voting for a gay governor with a group of vile, publicity seeking nutscases.</p>
<p>The Phelps are extremists-- they even think college students are evil and going to go to hell. To suggest that many “reasonable” people are as outrageous in their beliefs as the Phelps are is… scary. Some people are uncomfortable, some people are moderately discriminatory and some people hate. Not everyone hates. Thats like saying the Grand Canyon is no different than a small hole in the ground.</p>
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Bingo. Exactamundo.</p>
<p>“Society bears absolutely no responsibility for McGreevey & his wife’s personal decisions and actions. There are many openly gay politicians, actors, and other very visible public figures. Not to mantion singles who choose not to make their sexuality known, as it has no bearing whatsoever on their jobs or public life. Society is quite accepting of this.”</p>
<p>Thank you. I also can’t conceive of finding anything justifiable about the behavior. I bet most gays would be offended that anyone would justify the unjustifiable because the perpetrator is gay. Because the vast majority of gay Americans are dignified people who don’t discuss the intimate details of their life in the press.</p>
<p>Hatred? Oh please. Even conservative religions that believe homosexual behavior is sinful do not automatically “hate” homosexuals. Often, as in the case of the Catholic Church, they are leading the way with compasionate outreach to AIDS sufferers, hospices, and other services needed by the gay community. And fromthe pulpit the mesage preached is one of love & understanding. </p>
<p>But we have strayed far from the original topic – naughty governors.</p>
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No, I don’t know that many “reasonable” people believe this and that this is why some gays, male or female, choose to be private about their sexual orientation. </p>
<p>SS and zoos are correct. McGreevey and his wife’s divorce/custody battle is getting ugly, and that is when this level of mud-slinging often occurs. I feel really badly for their child.</p>
<p>I’m not so forgiving of politicians’ marital infidelities. As elected public figures, I think they must be held to a higher standard while in office and behave appropriately. Its not like affairs are (oops!) an accidental mishap. They are premeditated, clandestine acts of deception that subject them to public scrutiny. That is what they signed up for when they took the job.</p>
<p>You can deny all you want that there is no hatred amongst the general population towards gays, but there is…ask gay people…and ask many why they hid for so long, and why men and women who are gay marry anyway…sure there are a few gay politicians out there, there are probably just as many closeted and married</p>
<p>We are making small steps forward, but I don’t know, calling who a person is sinful because of how they were born, and wanting to change them, doesn’t show much loving, no matter how much the churches help the sick.</p>
<p>And there is this perception that just because a person doesn’t walk around spewing hatred doesnt’ mean they don’t hate and show that hatred in other ways</p>
<p>We have people in this country who are killed because they are gay or black…we have people who are discrimiated against because they are gay…why? wasn’t gay marriage some sort of rallying point?</p>
<p>[Religious</a> Right Hate Speech](<a href=“http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html]Religious”>http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hate.html)</p>
<p>FROM ‘THE TALK OF L.A.’ ON LATIMES.COM
Readers weigh in on slaying of Oxnard teen</p>
<p>February 22, 2008</p>
<p>Funeral services are scheduled today for Lawrence King, the 15-year-old boy who was fatally shot last week at E.O. Green Junior High in Oxnard, allegedly by a classmate. Brandon McInerney, 14, has been charged as an adult with premeditated murder, with an added special hate crime allegation. Prosecutors have declined to talk about a motive in the slaying. But students said the two boys had had a dispute over the sexual orientation of King, who had recently revealed that he was gay</p>
<p>[Two</a> gay teens killed in just two weeks - Attacks in Calif., Fla. prove young gays remain vulnerable](<a href=“http://www.sovo.com/2008/3-7/news/national/8231.cfm]Two”>http://www.sovo.com/2008/3-7/news/national/8231.cfm)</p>
<p>Although South Carolina police investigated Sean’s death as a hate crime, prosecutors said there was no evidence of “malicious intent” to kill, and charged Stephen Moller, 18 at the time of the murder, with involuntary manslaughter in October. The manslaughter charge carries a maximum of five years in prison.</p>
<p>“It’s bad enough that you have to lose a child and deal with all of that, but then on top of that you have to deal with the fact that they’re saying your son deserved to die, or that [Moller] really didn’t mean to do it, so we’re just going to give him a slap on the wrist,” Kennedy said.</p>
<p>Kennedy said she was also stung by her community’s apparent apathetic response.</p>
<p>“People, they’re sorry that I lost my son, but they don’t want to talk about why he was murdered,” she said. “They’d rather ignore that fact and pretend it didn’t happen.”</p>
<p>Gay people in Greenville have also had a muted reaction to Sean’s murder, Kennedy said.</p>
<p>“Most of them, they’re afraid,” Kennedy said. “For them to give up their life, their job, because they could lose their job, give up their safety — why would people want to stand out there and put themselves in that danger?”</p>
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<p>Yes, some people hate, but not everybody hates. That is a very negativistic view of the world. It does not look like the posters on this thread are naive or ignorant about discrimination and bigotry, but to say that everyone hates, and some are just more open than others (or that some hate more than others), is, IMO, a huge, unfounded overgeneralization.</p>
<p>There are differences here between what is immoral, unethical and that which is criminal.</p>
<p>Bill Clinton and apparently the new NY Guv, for example, may have been immoral in their conduct (depending on how one sees it). </p>
<p>Spitzer covered all the bases and it is the criminal aspect that separates his conduct.</p>
<p>I dunno, bullwinkle, staining the front of a pretty blue dress and not paying for the dry cleaning, some people might think that’s criminal ;)</p>
<p>Someone on this thread said yesterday that there’s more stuff to come out. Seems that’s true. Oy.</p>