<p>Fall 2013</p>
<p>SAT 25th-50th percentile
Critical Reading 580-670
Math 600-690
Writing 570-670</p>
<p>ACT Composite 26-31</p>
<p>Percent in top tenth of h.s. class: 53%
Percent in top quarter of h.s. class: 86%</p>
<p>Percent who had GP of 3.75 or higher: 72.0%</p>
<p>Average GPA: 3.97</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ir.pitt.edu/cds/documents/CDS_2013-2014Pittsburgh.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ir.pitt.edu/cds/documents/CDS_2013-2014Pittsburgh.pdf</a></p>
<p>I should add that the above numbers are the freshman that enrolled. Below (unless noted) are the stats for those offered admission. Those numbers are typically a little higher.</p>
<p>54% of applicants were admitted.</p>
<p>SAT 25th-50th percentile of those offered admission…
Critical Reading: 590-720
Math: 620-730
Writing: 590-690</p>
<p>ACT Composite: 27-31</p>
<p>Percent offered admission in top tenth of h.s. class: 58%</p>
<p>60% received need-based aid
33% of enrolled freshman are from out-of-state
17% of enrolled freshman are from Allegheny County (Pittsburgh’s county)</p>
<p>Honors College enrolled freshman
20% of enrolled freshman were honors college eligible as freshman.
Average SAT (CR+M) for Honor College enrolled freshman was 1476.</p>
<p>Historically, that’s the highest SAT average ever for honors college and second highest for the general student body. It’s also the highest ever GPA and second highest top 10% class rank overall.</p>
<p>wgmcp101: </p>
<p>you wrote “SAT 25th-50th percentile of those offered admission.” You meant “SAT 25th-75th percentile of those offered admission,” right?</p>
<p>Yes, I meant 25th-75th percentile. </p>
<p>Typing quick and not paying attention. Sorry.</p>
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Future applicants should be aware that this statistic does NOT mean that Pitt awarded 60% of it’s accepted applicants FA. Only that 60% of those offered admission were eligible for Federal or State FA…usually in the form of FAFSA loans. Pitt itself awards almost no institutional FA other than to OS students and that is usually only in the form of offering in-state tuition rates.</p>
<p>It is false to state that Pitt awards “almost no institutional FA other to OS students.” It is also misleading to state that aid is “usually in the form of FAFSA loans” when the university itself supplied $52.9 million in need-based and merit-based scholarships and tuition wavers in 2012, not including athletic scholarships. That means 48.3% of all enrolled freshman in 2012 received scholarships, grants, or tuition waivers, 62.9% of which was funded by Pitt, and those numbers don’t include another 2% that are on athletic scholarships.</p>
<p>Therefore, approximately 1/2 of Pitt freshman received grants, scholarships and waivers (again, not including loans or self-help), and only 31% were from out of state. In addition, Pitt itself funded 62.9% of all grant, scholarship, and waiver aid that was received by half of its freshman, compared to 16.0% that was funded via the federal government. You can restrict these numbers to need-based-only grants, loans, and waivers, and Pitt still funded 42.9% of such need-based aid that was received by 42.9% of its student body compared to 23.5% from the state and 20.3% from the federal government. You assertions don’t hold up.</p>
<p>In total, in 2012, 55.3% of total enrolled freshman received some form of financial aid. 68% that applied for financial aid received it and 97.0% of freshman that were deemed to have need received it. The average % of the total need that was met by those deemed to need it was 59.5% with an average FA package of $12,882, excluding resources that were awarded to replace EFC such as unsubsidized loans.</p>
<p>Wow, those are high stats. Thank u wgm for last post re Pitt’s generosity with aid. Given the high stats for the last class, it is encouraging to know there is still some hope for merit aid and for those who qualify for need based scholarships, those options also exist.</p>
<p>According to [this</a> report](<a href=“Home”>Home), Pitt’s applications for Fall 2014 are up 78% over this time last year with an increase of 11 points in SAT scores.</p>
<p>Anecdotally, out of state students receive proportionately more aid from Pitt, i.e. the amount of scholarship granted is larger to out of state students than the amount granted to in-state students. Stands to reason as in-state tuition is more affordable than out of state tuition. </p>
<p>The significant scholarships available at Pitt for out of state students may be a factor in increased number of applications. It may also be a side effect of instate students turned off by the Penn State child sex abuse scandal. Or it may be that Pitt has done a better job marketing itself and more parents/students are recognizing it is a great quality school. </p>
<p>Clearly Pitt has a lot to offer, aside from scholarships. It is rigorous academically, has large school amenities without the huge class sizes of schools like Penn State. Pitt is also somewhat unique among large state universities in having a city campus. My D is very happy at Pitt. </p>
<p>I think that more students would choose to attend Pitt if they actually come to visit, because it looks even better in person than it does “on paper”!</p>
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<p>That’s absolutely true. Pitt considers in-state tuition to be already discounted, which it is, and figures individual student need accordingly, with in-state discounts already factored in. And it makes further sense when you figure that the annual appropriations from the state no longer even cover the total amount of the in-state tuition discounts that Pitt gives out.</p>
<p>As far as PSU, their applications were down 9-10% for Fall '13. Part of that was the scandal, part of it is because half or more of the students are in branch campuses which, like other small colleges such as those in the PASSHE, are hurting for enrollment (60% of their students start at branches). This is partly due to declining demographics of college age students in PA. The scandal, I believe, hurts them most with out-of-state students (and OOS applications were down at twice the rate as in-state). The closer you get to ground zero in State College, the more pollyanna the attitude towards what has and is transpiring there. I say that quite definitively as someone that is originally from that area and visits relatively often compared to the attitude seen towards it outside of the region. That said, an aggressive marketing campaign by PSU has resulted in their applications rebounding somewhat this year. I don’t think PSU has really affected Pitt that much at all. While it is true there are a lot of in-state students that apply to both, the two schools are so different, from setting to culture to program strengths, that the actual pool of overlapping students that they truly compete against each other for really isn’t that big (ie, preferences for one over the other are generally already set for the PA student even when one applies to both schools). For out of state students, the feeling I get is that Pitt is more likely to compete with other mid-sized, urban, research universities like Boston U or Tulane.</p>
<p>I can speak for our family, which is in Pa, that Pitt should cost less than PSU even without merit aid. And at least merit aid is possible at Pitt. I think it may be present at PSU but only in very small amounts. We found the cost for PSU to be outrageous for in state students. and also, for my kid, they grew up in a rural area so either Pitt or Temple is more interesting to them than State College. Can’t speak for other kids and why PSU admissions are down but that’s why for us. Although I am very saddened and appalled by the Sandusky issues, it played no role in whether kid wanted to apply to PSU.</p>
<p>Last year, the University of Pittsburgh awarded a total of $297,475,569 in financial aid to undergraduate and graduate students.
<a href=“https://oafa.pitt.edu/learn-about-aid/[/url]”>https://oafa.pitt.edu/learn-about-aid/</a>
Not sure of where your stats are from but according to their website (and your numbers) the majority of FA looks as though it is in the form of Federal loans.
Half of all freshmen received either grants, scholarships, or waiver aid? How much was that in $$$ (for the freshmen) and what portion was OOS tuition waivers? </p>
<p>Thanks for explaining all this so that I can understand the factual error(s) in my statements. I wouldn’t want to accidentally mislead anyone.</p>
<p>According to the net price calculator for Pitt, we qualify for around a $2000 grant. We have as I put it a solidly middle class EFC and at other schools, would not get even that given the comparative costs. Of course, we don’t have a FAFSA or actual documentation either but my thoughts are that if Pitt ends up helping us some, they are likely even more generous with families with lower EFC’s, or more kids in college, etc… For a public school, they seem to be more generous than others with grants and scholarships and it’s anecdotal, but that impression seems accurate with what I have heard.</p>
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I’m not sure how reliable that net price calculator is particularly with such a (relatively) small amount of FA as $2000. Are you a PA resident?</p>
<p>Yes, pa resident so overall costs are lower for us than OSS and again, our EFC is up there so we qualify for less grant aid than many other families regardless of who the school is. Agreed not so sure how accurate npc will be at end of day but it is estimate for now. and overall costs to attend Pitt are still $5000 to $7000 less than PSU main campus. I double checked their estimated costs against certain dorms too(at least I think I did. The numbers are starting to blur some) and the estimated costs sound at least ball park accurate, which can’t be said of everyone. I believe the rest of FA on NPC were loans or parent contributions. I will be glad to repost actual numbers once we get FA determination next spring.</p>
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<p>[Pitt’s</a> 2012 Common Data Set,](<a href=“http://www.ir.pitt.edu/cds/documents/CDS2012_13PghCampus.pdf]Pitt’s”>http://www.ir.pitt.edu/cds/documents/CDS2012_13PghCampus.pdf) pages 17-19.</p>
<p>residency of aid or tuition wavers is not broken down in the CDS.</p>
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<p>I don’t know if you’ve factored in this or not, but Penn State also tiers in tuition so upperclassmen pay more than freshman, etc, so the actual total 4-5 year cost also goes up as you progress through the school. Pitt does not tier tuition by class.</p>
<p>Oh, great… Well, kid has no interest in going to PSU so it does not matter for us but I will make his classmates aware of this. You should be happy to hear he loves Pitt and was awestruck the first time he visited campus 
Still has not made a final decision yet on where he is going but it will be hard to pass on Pitt. We as a family were pleased Pitt was first school to admit him :)</p>
<p>Be aware though that Pitt did meet 60% of need on average for students, only 269 freshmen got full need met. About 13% of those students going to Pitt have their full need met. The rest are gapped by the financial aid process.</p>
<p>Ctl987, just so you know where to find that in case someone asks, it is buried in their [tuition</a> schedule here](<a href=“http://tuition.psu.edu/tuitiondynamic/rates.aspx?location=up]tuition”>http://tuition.psu.edu/tuitiondynamic/rates.aspx?location=up). When they raise tuition, they have also raised it disproportionately on the upper classmen as well, the reasoning for which you can certainly elucidate for yourselves. Thus far, Pitt has never used that strategy, and I hope it maintains that policy.</p>