New "Pride & Prejudice" movie

<p>TheMom and I saw the new P&P movie the other day. While sitting in the theater waiting for the movie, we were debating, as we often have and always will, the merits of two BBC productions. I said that the fact that the one that displays Colin Firth sitting in a 18th-century bathtub does not necessarily make it the superior production, at which point one of the two gay guys seated on the other side of me entered into the argument, saying that TheMom’s thesis sounded valid to him. I asked if I should switch seats so that they could be next to each other.</p>

<p>At least one review calls the production Byronic and certainly there’s
that cast given to Darcy. “Atmospheric” would be another good
descriptor, due to all the rain and gauzy foggy scenes. The
production values are very rich but earthy, with much squalor evident
in and about the Bennett household, to the point that I think it’s
inaccurate that such would be the conditions of even a country
gentleman. Donald Sutherland as Mr. Bennett seems to be on the edge
of being psychotic and I found other Sutherlands, from the re-make of
“The Italian Job” to “M<em>A</em>S*H” intruding.</p>

<p>Running at 2:08, two to four hours shorter than the BBC productions,
the movie has a compressed, sometimes hurried quality. The story has
been cut down and to considerable disadvantage. The romance between Elizabeth and Wickham is reduced to one scene at the dance, Mr. Bingley’s second sister and her husband, Mr. Hurst, are absent in toto (though what
they’re doing in a small yappy dog is beyond me), and even the search
for Lydia is attenuated, with much of it off-screen.</p>

<p>There are some things to recommend the movie. Mrs. Bennett is the
least caricatured of the three productions (this plus the two BBC’s).
Small town England looks less like a RenFaire version of same and
things like the country ball struck me as having great verisimilitude.
Otoh, they do things like having Bingley, portrayed as an amiable
doofus, look in on Jane when she is sick at Longbourne, going up to
her bedroom, an incomprehensible anachronism.</p>

<p>Kitty and Lydia as silly little twits are well done, I thought. But
I did not care much for the Jane, I preferred both of the other Darcys
to this one, and I absolutely loathed this version of Mr. Collins.
But my biggest objection is to Keira Knightley as Elizabeth, who,
while being easy on the eyes and delivering exactly the same lines as
the other production, has far too contemporary a persona that, given
the other attempts at faithfulness, stands out even more glaringly.
And then there is the ending, which, to use the appropriate critical
term, sucks dead fish with a straw: Elizabeth and Darcy, engaged but
not married, on a foggy dawn outside of Pemberley, looking as if they
should be dressed in jeans what with their great informality, holding
hands as Elizabeth tries on the name “Mrs. Darcy” over and over and
over and over again. I wanted to grab my submachine gun before I
remembered that I don’t have one.</p>

<p>Other points: the film is over-scored and the number of very tight close-ups gives an almost claustrophobic feeling at times.</p>

<p>As a nice dessert, we do get Judi Dench as Lady Catherine de Bourg
(spelling?) for the far too few cut down minutes she’s on screen.</p>

<p>nice review
wasn’t planning on seeing it actually- don’t really care for jane austen- like Judi dench though-Bride and Prejudice although Darcy was poorly cast- is more to my taste;)</p>

<p>Donald Sutherland as Mr. Bennett? It might be worth it just for that.</p>

<p>Oh TheDad - “them’s fightin’ words” considering DD and I have frequent P&P marathons - the Colin Firth version is definitive (and tons of fun to watch), although I agree Mrs. Bennett is overdone, could anyone be that obtuse?
I’m saving P&P for after daughter comes home for Christmas, but even the previews gave me some of the same quick impressions that you are confirming. I like Keira Knightley, I think she has a great career ahead, and agewise, she should be very close to correct, but she does seem a little contemporary and too gorgeous. Donald Sutherland…, huh?! Too many obvious departures from the book, particularly anachronistic ones, and we will be making jokes during the movie.</p>

<p>If you are a fan of the Colin Firth version, there is an interesting little, forgettable movie, where he is running for PM, and Amanda Bynum is his longlost teenage American daughter. The actress who plays the older Miss Bingley basically reprises her role as “conniving woman determined to catch Colin Firth”, it is an interesting redo of their P&P roles.</p>

<p>How did you like Emma, and the recent remake of Sense and Sensibility?</p>

<p>I liked the squalor. I liked the physicality of the dance. I loved the giggly younger sisters. Perfect! In fact, I liked this version for it’s attempt to portray the setting with more realism. I doubt the girls would have been so carefree about dragging their skirts through mud, but I don’t doubt it was very muddy indeed. Some of the attempt was a bit forced–shots of barnyard animals roaming through passageways for example.</p>

<p>Mrs Bennet did an admirable job of portraying part of Austen’s angst–the utter terror of having so many unmarried daughters.</p>

<p>Agree. Kiera is too contemporary and Donaldson is too American. His attempt to be stand-offish came across as modern though I don’t thing that was his instruction. Rather, it was the best an American actor could muster.</p>

<p>As to our beloved Mr Firth, who appears to be our Ideal Husband (because he seems so manageable?), it is he who has the terribly modern character, the character who doesn’t change from Bridget 1 and 2 to Love Actually to PnP. He is virtually the same man in every film–the same ADORABLE man, I might add. (Put him in the bath tub! Oh yes!). </p>

<p>McFayden, as usual, overacts the brooding bits, but I liked him in the middle. I thought his consternation and manners were exactly the right amount of stiff upper lip–except for the smoochy relationship with his sister. </p>

<p>All in all, a lovely thing: several versions of a wonderful story.</p>

<p>We now closer to TheDad’s real identity: Kevin Thomas or Kenneth Turan… :)</p>

<p>Oh, TheDad! We were so looking forward to seeing the movie! H has even been (re-) reading P&P for the first time, I suspect, since high school.
Oh, well. we’ll still go and see if we agree with you.</p>

<p>I was just trying to persuade my 9th grade son to accompany me to this movie and you are not making my odds any better and giving me pause that he won’t be speaking to me after it is over…
Your review is just beastly, Mr. TheDad :)</p>

<p>I happend to love Donald Sutherland. At the moment of ‘losing a daughter’ my H had tears running down his face-- so close to the year we have been having!</p>

<p>I liked the country dance and the muddy stableyards and dirty hems.</p>

<p>H pointed out that not enough was made of Lady Catherine’s daughter; the betrothal, etc, which provides the right motivation for Darcy to be so standoffish so we could like him better during the first half of the story.</p>

<p>Did anyone else notice the Bennet’s maid? Interesting touch… though she did not speak a line, the director had her in many scenes; constantly singing and humming as she served the family… kind of a nice ironic touch, this happy maid, while the Bennets were always moaning about their precarious financial situation.</p>

<p>BTW I took the ending to be a scene after they were married. It was a poor add on, agreed.</p>

<p>Does anyone else love the 1940 version with Greer Garson and Laurence Olivier? Edmund Gwenn is, I think, the most perfect Mr. Bennet imaginable. Mary Boland is over-the-top but deliciously funny as Mrs. Bennet. And Olivier is … well, wow … at least as far as this girl is concerned. (And he had just played a terrific Heathcliff the year before!)</p>

<p>Yes, I was born about 40 years too late. But check this one out of the library if you can’t find it to rent. (We’re seeing the new version Friday.)</p>

<p>As for Donald Sutherland’s performance, I agree with SBmom. I found it to be multi-dimensional and surprisingly moving.</p>

<p>As for the casting of the Lizzie role, in my view the critical problem isn’t that the actress is too “contemporary.” It’s that she’s simply too darned pretty - breathtakingly so. Lizzie’s words and spirit - not her looks - are what should be most striking. Sure, someone can be beautiful as well as articulate and lively, but that doesn’t seem to be what this character is about, at least not in the book. Lizzie is supposed to be someone who can’t quite compete with her older sister in terms of appearance, but has other even more striking qualities. Oh, well, that’s Hollywood!</p>

<p>Speaking of movie adaptations of Jane Austen’s books, I just recently saw the BBC version of Persuasion and thought it was really terrific.</p>

<p>Well, frazzled, I can appreciate why you think Olivier was fantastic, since the man didn’t know how to be anything other than fantastic. So I’m with you there. But as for loving the 1940 version, no, I’m afraid not. Maybe I would like it if it weren’t for the book. But the 1940 version was such a pale, insipid version of the book that it’s hard for me to get beyond that fact. It turned a witty comment on social mores and a gentle but pointedly picture of the frailty of human nature, into a cutesy love story. When Catherine de Bourgh (sp?) turns into a nurturing cheerleader of the marriage between Darcy and Elizabeth, I actually reached for TheDad’s submachine gun (then he reminded me he doesn’t have one). The 1940 version took the tabasco sauce out of the book’s bloody mary.</p>

<p>TheDad - great review.</p>

<p>As for Jane Austen, I think one of her struggles as a writer was understandable - she was a female. Especially coming from an era when there was such a barrier between the sexes, I believe one of the noticeable problems with her writing is that she could get inside her female characters markedly better than she could with her male characters. In fact, I think that is why Darcy’s aloof nature comes across so successfully: she was able to convey aloofness better than the 3 dimensional nature of a man.</p>

<p>Now Olivier had the best performance as Darcy. I thought McFadyen, while great to look at, didn’t have the haughty air necessary (“Byronic” is a very good description of the actor). And Keira Knightly, while having the right attitude, was too modern and skinny for the period.</p>

<p>I wasn’t as put off by Sutherland as I thought I would be, but his teeth were in much better condition than they would have been then (my God, he has big teeth!). Loved Brenda Blethyn as Mrs. Bennett - in a few added lines her character was explained very nicely.</p>

<p>What I thought was carried off the best in this film was the relative difference in station between Longbourne, Netherfield Park, and Pemberly. </p>

<p>Oh yes, and Bingley was portrayed as just this side of a twit. However, he does have to be someone who is unsure enough of himself to be persuaded away from Jane by Darcy.</p>

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<p>May I re-use this quote? LOL!</p>

<p><em>pretetmanger takes one last sip, and puts glass down</em> Marite, please feel free to use!</p>

<p>I’ve been debating this one–I just did a marathon rewatching of the 1995 BBC one, and yes, I think that TheMom’s thesis seems remarkably just and right, though I might argue for the dripping wet shirt just swam in the lake Colin Firth as the definitive one…</p>

<p>Anyhoo, I like Kiera Knightly, but heard she is too giggly, which Elizabeth certainly wouldn’t be, the Darcy is just plain plain, to me, I violently object to Byronifying Austen, because she would, and there does seem to be a lack of understanding of the time period; for instance, apparently the movie shows pigs at the front door, which is just silly. Mr. Bennet might not be able to leave his estate to his D’s, but it is the estate of a landed gentleman, which would certainly not have pigs in the yard, kind of misplaced realism.</p>

<p>But I was still thinking of seeing it, until Thedad’s review seconded all my negative notions. Maybe I’ll just go stare at Colin Firth again.</p>

<p>Yeah, I’ll go see it Friday after the Longhorns/Aggies game. </p>

<p>I’ll try to strike the right balance between appreciating the interpretation of Austen’s work and oogling Keira Knightley :P</p>

<p>DD is a huge P&P fan, as am I. She has watched all the other productions over and over, so much so that the DVD had to go with her to college. She saw the movie last night, and her review virtually matched word for word with TheDad. And she still today is questioning whether she did or didn’t like it. As opinionated as she is, I think she didn’t like it, but loves P&P so much that she doesn’t want to admit that anything about it can be less than perfect.</p>

<p>DD and I also believe that the BBC 6-part version set the standard for all future P&Ps, and DD is having hissy-fits about the casting of Kiera Knightly as Lizzie. She refuses to see it in the movies, insisting she’ll wait until she can watch it in the privacy of her own home or dorm so that she doesn’t disturb a theater full of people with her hooting and raspberry-ing (if that’s a word). However, just for a laugh last night we rented and watched Bride and Prejudice, the Bollywood version of P&P. And a laugh it was - between figuring out who was which character, and moaning at the terrible songs that were written to turn this story into a musical, we actually enjoyed it. Needless to say, it bore little resemblance to P&P, but that didn’t make it any less fun. I expect it will ultimately become a cult-type film for P&P fans, if it hasn’t already done so. You can’t possibly take this movie seriously, but that’s okay as it doesn’t take itself seriously either. Unless you have no sense of humor, I recommend this movie for any P&P fan who needs a good laugh.</p>

<p>I loved Bride and Prejudice
It helped to see it in a theatre full of people who were equally appreciative
Nitin Ganatra- really stole the show( Mr Kholi/Mr Collins)</p>