<p>Just to be clear, I had posted that the mid 50% range for the combined CR/M Sats at NYU are 1300 to 1440 and not 1300-1400. </p>
<p>NYU has posted these statistics right on their own site here:
[NYU</a> > Undergraduate Admissions > Explore NYU > Fast Facts](<a href=“Undergraduate Admissions”>Undergraduate Admissions)</p>
<p>Yes, in the 2008 edition of USNews and World Report’s America’s Best Colleges, it lists the mid SAT range for NYU as:
1210-1410. </p>
<p>However, I would be more inclined to go by the direct source from NYU itself which likely has been updated since this last admissions cycle (and we all know that this school, among some others, has become more competitive to get into…their admit rate has gone down now to 25%). The thing with USNews is that they collect data from colleges but it may reflect data from a year ago by the time it goes to publication, etc. </p>
<p>You asked if that is the range for Tisch. There is no publicized range for Tisch. Tisch counts academic review 50% of the admissions decision. It is important to not look at SATs in isolation as it is the total package of a student. A lower SAT may be compensated by a rigorous curriculum and high grades or maybe being an URM appllcant or having many outstanding achievements. Still, the SAT range gives one a ballpark. Someone with an SAT below 1200 CR/M is going to have NYU as an academic reach roughly speaking (though so many other factors come into play). But some DO get into reaches because that SAT range is the MID range of accepted students. But simply, those below that range have slimmer odds, that’s all. Some will get in with SATs below the reported mid range! The percentage of students accepted with SATs below 1200 is much lower, however. Those are simply the odds. I have met kids with a CR/M of 1000 who want NYU. Sorry, but then it becomes a very far reach with extremely slim odds. That is a realistic look at it. When the admit rate for CAP21 is about 6%, they have plenty of talented kids artistically who have stats in the ballpark, or a little below the ballpark, and thus someone who has taken the easiest courses, has a low GPA or has very low SATs, low class rank, etc. is really going to not have as much of a chance and so it is important to pick schools within a reasonable reach (reaches are FINE). One can’t just pick schools because they offer MT and are well known and they want to be in NYC. (believe me, I have seen it all) One must realistically assess academic odds and artistic odds and plan accordingly and build a balanced list appropriate to themselves which is not the same list as the next person’s list.</p>
<p>EDIT…I cross posted with some other and sorry for overlapping.</p>
<p>Ok, so I looked at the site above for NYU fast facts and it did not say whether that was out of 2 or 3 parts. Is it safe to say that the 1300-1440 is counting just the 2 parts? It makes a huge difference because simple math says a 1440/3 would be an average of 480 each part vs 1440/2 being 720. Can anyone clarify?</p>
<p>Schools do look at the three portions of the SAT test scores. However, the Writing test is still pretty new and so some schools are still not weighing that score much in admissions. Some may be counting it, however. </p>
<p>BUT…right now, the fact that schools are reporting the mid range just for the CR/M combined is because that is the only way they are reporting scores at present to publications such as USNew or college directories because there are not enough years yet of Writing SAT scores to show a valid pattern. So, right now, you are going to have to examine reported scores for just CR and M. That doesn’t imply that Writing doesn’t count necessarily (it might and might not, depending on the school) but usually only CR and M scores are reported from previous admitted classes. When my D applied a few years ago, Writing was not part of the SAT but she took the Writing SAT Subject Test and sent that to NYU (Tisch just recommends SAT Subject tests but does not require them…but she did take three and did very well and it could not have hurt her, particularly as someone who graduated HS a year early).</p>
<p>It truly should not be that confusing to prospective students to read reported scores of admitted students to colleges. For instance, on USNews, it gives the CR score mid range, the M score mid range and then a combined and it is quite obvious that it cannot add up to 2400. Please know that reported scores for colleges are reported for CR/M usually and go up to 1600. Also, you can’t just go by combined scores. For example, if a student has a 1200 CR/M combined that is one thing but if she/he has a 700 on one part and a 500 on another, that 500 could be a problem and is not like a kid who has a 600/600 split. So, each subscore matters. </p>
<p>You asked if as student should strive for a 700 on each portion. No, not in my view! I think a student should strive to do the best he/she can do and to put some time into practice tests and prep and do two sittings in junior year and prep again between sittings and try to raise their score as much as they are able (in other words, put some effot into it and not just take the test the day of the test). Depending what they get, they should look for colleges in their range, some reaches, some matches, some safeties. I would be less inclined to look for far reaches that are not remotely within reach/range. A person can set their own goals for the test vis a vis what colleges they are striving for and the kind of academic student they are. My kids just prepped a bit by taking some practice tests and tried to do their best and raise their score to be in range for their schools and in keeping with the rest of their academic record. They did not feel they needed perfect scores but just “enough” to be in range for their schools. They were not test obsessed.</p>
<p>Yes, the reported scores for NYU and for most colleges just reflect the CR and M combined scores and not the W scores. You really need to also examine the range reported separately for the CR and for the M sections and not just combined. In any case, it is safe to say that if someone has a 480 on each part, they won’t be getting into NYU. Only 1% of applicants who were admitted to NYU had a subscore on either section below 500. And rest assured that the 1% who did get in, had other mitigating factors that overroad that score. For example, I am working with someone who is a ward of the state, an URM, with a horrific background, who has not had opportunities, but is very talented in MT. I am sure a lower SAT score given all the obstacles she will have to overcome to ever go to college may be allowed. So, if you see that 1% got into a school with very low stats, don’t assume you’ll be that 1% unless there are a lot of things in your profile that would allow for that low of a score.</p>
<p>It behooves students and their parents to be realistic, but also to remember that college admissions is an holistic process, meaning that many factors can go into a decision to admit or not to admit, including efforts to achieve gender and racial diversity and balance and consideration for special talents that various students may bring to a class. </p>
<p>That said, a student who is far from the mid-range for SATs at his or her dream school may want to reassess that dream.</p>
<p>Thanks. I think that the students and parents who have been invested in this process will benefit, as I see too many threads and posts on CC that are broken hearted people who were ilinformed. It is then too late to correct until the next year or perhaps going to a community college and doing a transfer. I think HS college counselors are a great resource but unfortunately I see many students and parents that never darken their door or call for their imput.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, there have been some recent articles about the College Board concluding that the writing portion of the SAT is both unreliable and inaccurate (no kidding) so I suspect that colleges will be giving even less weight to it than they have to date.</p>
<p>Good to know. My point is that without a college counselor or someone that is well versed on the process, I fear that students are looking at a 1400 to 1600 in stats and think that they are set when that was their total score for the 3 part test. There is so much emphasis (at least here on the West Coast) to the SAT score that I think they forget to ask the key questions. What a disappointment to a student who makes a 1600 or 1700 on their TOTAL SAT score and creates a list thinking that schools who show that score for only the 2 parts are a match and not a stretch.</p>
<p>soozievt and alwaysamom, thanks for the info on NYU and the link. I didn’t realize that the stats changed that much over the last year or so (although, I should have suspected it with the increase numbers of applicants and competition to get into the top schools).</p>
(believe me, I have seen it all) One must realistically assess academic odds and artistic odds and plan accordingly and build a balanced list appropriate to themselves which is not the same list as the next person’s list.</p>