No Tuft's Syndrome Accusation Toward Duke and Dartmouth but Toward WUSTL. REALLY?

Colleges & Universities Washington University in St. Louis
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<p>Ok. People seriously need to stop complaining about being waitlisted. Saying that you are “overqualified” is arrogant, cocky and just exemplifies the reason why you shouldn’t belong at WUSTL (WUSTL doesn’t need arrogant kids who thinks they are better than others).</p>

<h1>1. Darmouth recieved 22,140 apps. MUCH LESS THAN WUSTL. But guess what? Not many people complain when they have perfect ACT/SAT and get waitlisted. SO WHY DO PEOPLE HAVE TO COMPLAIN WHEN WUSTL WHICH RECIEVED 28,823 WAITLISTS PEOPLE? Oh wait, WUSTL is not an IVY school, there we go. If you are not a IVY, you can’t be rejected if they have the good scores and EC…NOT</h1>

<h1>2. Duke waitlisted over 3000 applicants last year according to NYT. Duke also recieved 26400 application last year. BUT if you look on the Duke thread. NO ONE MENTIONED THE MYTHICAL “TUFT’S SYNDROME”. WHY? Maybe its because Duke is a top ten school and so to those “overqualified” people, the higher the ranking, the more justifiable it is…NOT</h1>

<p>If you think you are “overqualified” how do you know you were overqualified. Did you look at all the applicants? NO.</p>

<p>As adman82 pointed out:
WUSTL is NOT LESS COMPETITIVE to get into. </p>

<p>scores given in 25th / 75th percentile format</p>

<p>Washington University in St. Louis
SAT Critical Reading: 680 / 750
SAT Math: 710 / 780</p>

<p>Harvard
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 780
SAT Math: 690 / 790</p>

<p>MIT
SAT Critical Reading: 650 / 760
SAT Math: 720 / 800</p>

<p>Dartmouth
SAT Critical Reading: 660 / 770
SAT Math: 670 / 780</p>

<p>Brown
SAT Critical Reading: 650 / 760
SAT Math: 670 / 770</p>

<p>Princeton
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 790
SAT Math: 700 / 790</p>

<p>Yale
SAT Critical Reading: 700 / 800
SAT Math: 700 / 780</p>

<p>Columbia
SAT Critical Reading: 680 / 770
SAT Math: 680 / 780</p>

<p>Cornell
SAT Critical Reading: 630 / 730
SAT Math: 660 / 770</p>

<p>UPenn
SAT Critical Reading: 660 / 750
SAT Math: 690 / 780</p>

<p>U Chicago
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 780
SAT Math: 680 / 780</p>

<p>Stanford
SAT Critical Reading: 660 / 760
SAT Math: 680 / 780</p>

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<p>Why wouldn’t you post this in a preexisting thread?</p>

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<p>You just wrote a good response in the “wustl admissions baffles me” thread, and I think that we should keep all of the inane arguments about “Tufts Syndrome” in there.</p>

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<p>Thank you.</p>

<p>I’m sick of the “I must be overqualified” bs. In other words they’re saying they’re better than those who got in.</p>

<p>They need a serious slap-in-the-face reality check.</p>

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<p>^^ I completely agree. College admissions is about fit–it’s not just about numbers or EC. essays, teacher recs, writing portions on the common app–all provide a picture of who you are. And if you got waitlisted/rejected, well I guess you didn’t have what WashU was looking for this upcoming year</p>

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<p>I think you have to look at more than just scores and rank to determine how competitive a school is; compare acceptance rates, etc.</p>

<p>But yeah I do think Tufts Syndrome is plausible, because it does make sense for a school to do. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a lot of other schools do it.</p>

<p>That said, WUSTL is incredibly prestigious and a waitlist from them should not make you assume you are overqualified. On the other hand, if you “really just weren’t what they were looking for this year” then they would have probably rejected you.</p>

<p>Honestly at this level you really shouldn’t assume anything from a waitlist. Just take it as a compliment that they liked you but didn’t have a spot for you and move on. No need to rationalize it and assume you are just that awesome or something.</p>

<p>At least that’s what I’m doing (accepting it and moving on).</p>

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<p>the 25/75% statistics don’t tell the whole story as to selectivity, and kind of miss the point of this discussion.</p>

<p>Let’s say I run a school – my admissions policy is that I will admit 100% of the students who have a 2000 SAT or comparable ACT, and no one else. My admissions statistics numbers would likely show somwhat above 2000 combined in the 25th percentile and somewhat higher still for the 75th percentile – the stats would probably very closely resemble all of the top schools cited above in this thread. There are, in fact, many excellent schools who accept all or nearly all applicants with statistics that exceed a threshhold. The term for these (for the students who have the stats) is ‘safety school’. I don’t mean this in a derogatory sense, many of these schools are excellent schools. </p>

<p>The question for selectivity is not the percentiles for those who are accepted, but rather how many qualified students don’t get accepted. HYP (and many others) readily admit,or even brag that they reject 3 or 4 QUALIFIED applicants for every student they accept. Most top institutions make it clear that having high grades and scores are necessary, but not the sole criteria. They are trying to put together a class that is diverse in every way, so a unique student who is qualified may get in while another student with higher grades/SATs will not.</p>

<p>No one questions this from HYP, etc. But when it comes to Wash U, people are perplexed or even angered that someone is denied admission even though their statistics indicate that Wash U is a ‘target’ school for them.</p>

<p>I think it’s a matter of perception. The only reason that one should be upset if rejected at a well-respected school, is if you view this school as a ‘safety’ school. </p>

<p>Now, we can argue about Wash U’s rep, compared to the Ivy Schools all day long, but the simple fact – proven by the existence of this conversation – is that Wash U rejects many qualified candidates. Go back to last year’s threads, or the year before’s, I think you’ll find this same discussion. The simple, undeniable, fact is that Wash U is NOT a safety school, it can, and does receive applications from more qualified candidates than it has the ability to accept. </p>

<p>Anyone who applies thinking that they are a lock, based on statitisics is simply out of touch with the reality of the school.</p>

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<p>My D got accepted at MIT, Yale, Stanford, Duke and multiple BS/MD programs. The only two schools she applied that waitlisted her are Harvard and WashU. She did show a lot of interest in WashU in her application 'cause at that time she did not know that she would be accepted by so many top colleges, but the fact is she has perfect GPA, SAT and SAT subject scores, top national science awards, siemens, as well as national and international awards in music, etc. We know of at least 5 other top students in our area that got accepted at multiple HYPSM level schools and other top schools such as Duke and Dartmouth but have been waitlisted by WUSTL - so it does seem strange, but then again, the WUSTL admission guys are pretty smart, 90% of these students probably would not have chosen WUSTL as their final destination.</p>

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<p>Stop reviving multiple unnecessary threads.</p>

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<p>IndGirl, on behalf of humanity I hereby acknowledge the greatness of your daughter. We owe our future to her achievements. Thank you, and please leave.</p>

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<p>^^^ “We know of at least 5 other top students in our area that got accepted at multiple HYPSM level schools and other top schools such as Duke and Dartmouth but have been waitlisted by WUSTL, so it does seem strange” </p>

<p>Oh - and in your D’s case waitlisted by Harvard, too, don’t forget. That seems strange, too.</p>

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<p>LOL at jvtDad’s response</p>

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<p>IndGirl…no one cares. Your daughter must be amazing, but she is not you. Do not tool on a school because she didn’t get in. If she did “get in to so many great schools” why are you wasting your time with a forum about a school you clearly think is less superior?</p>

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<p>OH MY GOD. I get it now. Harvard clearly has Tuft’s Syndrome!!!
/sarc.</p>

<p>Anyway, as DJEureka said, it’s very insulting when someone (helicopter parent) has no clue what they’re talking about and feels the need to bash on WashU.</p>

<p>I was my class valedictorian, damn good test scores, a handful of awards, all that fun jazz you mentioned. I turned down several top schools -Duke included- to come to WashU.</p>

<p>And I’m very much an ‘average’ student at WashU. Nearly everyone I know here had to turn down a ‘top’ school.</p>

<p>Seriously? Get over yourself.
(and that goes to everyone with that attitude).</p>

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<p>@Johnson181 - Finally! That took a while! And here I thought my sarcasm (and thinly veiled insinuation about Harvard & TS) could be seen dripping all over the place! LOL.</p>