Northern Kentucky University

NKU has a program that is not talked about much here, so I thought it’d be nice to tell what we know about it. When we visited, I didn’t know what to expect and honestly thought I might be underwhelmed, but I was quite impressed! We really liked it!

–There is mandatory advising in the major every semester, and students actually have to go in and talk with their advisors for a while at least once a semester. Students can choose their own advisors, and they can change them if they want.

–The faculty cares about the relationship between the student and the faculty, and the faculty has an open door policy.

–We’ve interacted a lot with the assistant head, and he has been and continues to be extremely helpful with a great attitude and insightful perspectives. He’s obviously intelligent and caring.

–Study abroad is strongly encouraged and supported in the major, even financially ($6,000 in scholarship money per student possible, which is enough for two smaller trips or one semester-long trip). There are many different opportunities for study abroad in the major and outside of it.

–There is the opportunity to study in film classes and participate in films. (There is a school of film.)

–My D was able to sit in on an acting class. The students were welcoming and excited to see her, and there was great rapport among students and between students and faculty. My D thought that the professor gave great insight and that it was a fantastic environment.

–The students were friendly and engaged with each other and my D.
In fact, I couldn’t put my finger on what seemed different as I observed all of these students hanging out together in the theatre building. As I walked to our car, I figured it out: There was not a single person with his/her head in a phone; they were all engaged in each other! Lol. We have received feedback from students who say that the supportive, friendly, cooperative environment within the theatre department is a tremendous strength, and we really saw and felt that on our visit. It made a great impression on us.

–Students often hang out together in the theatre facility between classes and activities. There is a room with fridge, microwave, etc., and they have their own computer/study room in facility.

–We saw Les Mis there and gave it a big thumbs up. Honestly, it had the best, in depth Marius, Eponine, and male students we’ve ever seen–and we’ve seen a lot of Les Mis shows (including shows at professional, regional and quality community theatres and one at a program discussed often here), plus all the others were strong actors and vocalists. It had great ensemble vocals, interesting staging, it was obvious that they were interested in interpretation instead of shock value. One reviewer praised the singing and also said, “NKU’s theater department (which Jones heads) puts acting first, and one of the ongoing joys of the shows is the clarity and believability of character and relationships.” I completely agree. It was so good!

-There is a professional theatre (Commonwealth Theatre) in the summer at their facility. It is “high paying” for students cast in it, which students frequently are.

–It’s completely possible to take dance with the dance majors. In fact–and I might be wrong here–I think that some MT dance curriculum classes are with the dance majors. There is not an abundance of dance in the curriculum, but some/many students use their electives for mostly dance.

–Students are strongly supported at SETC and in the pursuit of finding other professional work during summers. The students’ bios in Les Mis showed this is true.

–The production season is thoughtfully based on providing all periods and styles of theatre, so that by the time a student graduates, he/she will have had experience with all periods and styles. There are many performance opportunities on main stage and black box, plus student productions and films.

–They encourage and support signing up with an agent locally to develop work while in college. Cincinnati is a good theatre city. (They are only about 10 minutes from Cincy, and the students get free bus rides everywhere in the area, including around Cincy.)

–MTs and actors often are together; BAs and BFAs have some courses together. Collaboration is encouraged between all theatre majors.

–They have nice theatre facilities. The campus is newish, so not traditional ivy covered buildings, but I liked it more than I thought I would. It has a large number of commuters, but there are many dorms and surrounding apartments, too. It seemed like a very active, involved campus, not like a typical commuter school.

–A small number (8-20ish) are admitted into BFA before freshman year, and a small number are admitted after freshman year. They base admission not on numbers (thus, the 8-20ish), but on talent and readiness for rigors of BFA in all areas. They consider the whole person and care about character.

–They care about the individual student and about developing artists as well as thinkers and world changers.

–Their cost is lower than most and nice scholarships are available.

–I’m not exactly sure what kind of presence NKU has in the theatre world at large or the size of their network in NYC or Chicago. That is my one concern (but, as many have pointed out, it’s the student/person, not the school…) D’s coach and vocal coach think it’s a good option, but we’re saving the nitty-gritty comparisons for when offers are all in. They do have some who have been on Broadway and in national tours.

Does anyone else have insight into NKU?

Hi @myloves - My D is a freshman BA-Theatre at NKU. You assessment is pretty accurate. I’d add that for kids like mine who didn’t get into a BFA program that you can take nearly all the same classes as a BA as for BFA. I think there is a “special topics” class where they give BFAs some special attention, but otherwise it appears all the classes are available to BAs too. Caveat about singing lessons for BAs - you can’t register for those automatically, need to sign up once school starts. D got lessons both semesters and doesn’t know anyone who wanted lessons but didn’t get in, but apparently that is occasionally an issue for BAs.

In addition to the classes, kids can audition again once and possibly twice (my D is auditioning again in a couple weeks).

We’ve seen a few productions, including Les Mis and the summer theatre, and they are very good. We live a couple hours away and it is worth the trip.

D has had a few theatre classes so far and has like all the teachers. Performed in the first year show last semester and thought the faculty gave them plenty of attention and good direction. Has taken dance both semesters - agree that their dance program is a little smaller but they hired a new dance director who started this year so things are looking up.

I think your comment about student interaction is correct from what we’ve heard from her and the little bit we’ve seen. She has made quite a few friends in theatre. One neat thing is they assign student mentors for the freshmen. Her’s didn’t make contact until a couple weeks before school started, but provided a lot of good info and even took her to a church that focuses on the campus. The mentor definitely helped with the transition into college.

NKU also recently announced that they are forming a “School of the Arts” to consolidate all the performing and visual arts departments. Ken Jones will be the head of the school, but will remain very active with the theatre side. They expect to build more interaction between the arts groups, which should be a benefit to students over time.

The Honors program and Theatre program interact well. One of the Honors professors has a BFA (playwriting) from NKU, which is neat. In addition to the theatre advisor, the Honors kids have an honors advisor as well.

As you might expect, my wife and I were very sad for our D that she didn’t get any BFA offers last year. But her NKU experience has been great and she is really happy there. In addition to the Theatre comments, NKU is growing in other ways and in numerous programs throughout the university and I’ve been pretty impressed with that stuff. It is a newer school like you mentioned, not the “vine-draped halls”, but a nice place.

Be glad to answer other questions to the extent that I can.

That’s great information, @raellis123‌ ! Thank you.

Did your D have much dance experience going into college, and, if she did, have the dance classes been challenging and beneficial?

I didn’t know about the student mentors! That’s nice.

I forgot to mention the Honors program, which sounds so great. My D would love the discussion- and project-based courses it offers, but she has decided to not enter it because she’d like to use any extra courses she takes (from AP and college credits) on drama-related courses. We talked a bit to the person in charge of Honors, and it sounds so neat–and supportive.

Speaking of supportive, I also forgot to mention that support services, including tutoring, are absolutely free at NKU, and students are encouraged to get support before they need it or feel overwhelmed. It seems like a healthy environment overall.

She had 3 years of dance prior to college, was kind of late starting on the whole theatre thing. But she has enjoyed the dance classes and found them beneficial. I haven’t seen her dance much lately, but from the little bits she has done around the house I can see she has improved. Dance classes have people with a variety of skill sets and after establishing some basics they start to add more for the people with more experience (at least that’s what she said with ballet last semester).

One odd thing for dance is that the classes are 3 units, where many other places have them as 1 unit classes so it is easier to take more. But she is planning on taking 2 dance classes next semester because she has decided to add a dance minor in addition to the honors minor. She brought in a lot of AP credit and believes she will have plenty of time for acting/theatre courses. Two honors gen-ed courses can count towards the honors minor, so that can help free up some time too.

One “knock” on NKU is that it is still building its academic strength across the university so you might need to honors classes to stay academically challenged, Due to quirk of the schedule she doesn’t have an honors class this semester and only one gen-ed, so she is feeling a little bored (but loves the theatre and dance classes she has).

Agree on the support services, they offer a lot for those who need it.

Perhaps @raellis123 - can comment on this in regards to the theater program, but I understand that the school as a whole is more socio-economically/racially diverse than some other schools on this board. Northern Kentucky is not LA, NYC or DC, but I know some local folks in under-represented groups have transferred to NKU from other universities b/c it felt more welcoming/supportive than the schools they were attending.

@mom4bwayboy‌ , I’d agree that this is true for the school as a whole. I’m not sure how that translates to the theatre program. Will have to ask my daughter about that. I have seen a little diversity there, but not sure how percentages would compare to the general population. I’ll update after I can get her thoughts on that.

My impression is that the program cares about developing talent. Race, etc. doesn’t seem like an issue. I was thinking after posting before that there was another thread talking about how some programs prefer really thin kids. This does not appear to be the case for NKU. The kids I’ve seen, including in leading roles have varied thinner to heavier with no apparent preference one way or the other. Just normal kids. I think the same would apply to race, socio-economic status, etc.

I would like to chime in in support of the program at NKU. My D auditioned there in December. We were impressed with everything about it and continue to be. We spent the day there yesterday touring the campus. The department chair Ken Jones spent over an hour with us giving us a tour of the musical theater department and answering questions.
Everyone we met was friendly and helpful. Highly recommend a look! @myloves has done a great job of summarizing and I can’t add much more to it. I read here somewhere that they are still accepting applications for April 4th audition until tomorrow!

As requested by myloves, I posted in the venting thread but will also post this here about NKU.

And, yes, raellis123 was the one I was thinking of! My comment about the changes at NKU was in reference to very positive changes. Here is a link to a discussion that began ten years ago and the comments by dancersmom were very accurate about the program back then. She lives in the area and was very close to the theatre scene there.

http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/113824-northern-kentucky-and-western-kentucky-u.html

In the intervening years, I think it’s clear that this program has grown and improved and is now going to be a very viable option for many students. Some of these smaller, lesser known programs produce some incredibly talented kids. A few who I have seen and who stick in my mind -one from Catawba, one from West Chester University, and one from a small Michigan school, the name of which escapes me. There is talent all across the continent, and beyond!

@alwaysamom‌ , FYI, I’m the dad, not the mom! No worries though.

I suspect those comments from 2005 were accurate. NKU is trying to grow from a more commuter-oriented campus to a more traditional one. They opened a new dorm this year and had a new one a couple years ago. They are looking for more than commuters, although those will remain a large part of the student body. My D says it can get pretty quiet there on weekends though.

I’ll have to look up the venting thread if there is discussion of NKU there.

There are some talented kids at NKU. They offer great scholarships to Governors School for the Arts participant from Kentucky so many choose it because of its affordability and curriculum. The student body is very regional versus national I would say. Most of the kids we know there are mainly from Kentucky with some from Ohio. But it does offer good training. We know a boy who transferred from Belmont’s MT program to NKU and is much happier at NKU. It is just over the river from Cincinnati (maybe a 10 minute drive) which offers a wide variety of theater opportunities and things to do.

Western Kentucky University has also started a BFA MT program which is attracting some talented kids who want a more traditional college setting. It is close to Nashville and is a bigger, Division 1 type school. I don’t know tons about it but do know they did a showcase type deal during the winter with students from Ole Miss in NYC. We do know several kids in the program and they seem to be very happy there also. Again, many of them got GSA scholarships so staying at one of the state schools was very cost effective.
Lastly, University of Kentucky has started an auditioned MT certificate program. Last year they brought in Jonathan Groff to work with kids on their production of Spring Awakening. Many take voice through the UK voice program which is terrific - they tend to more opera/classically focused and have some former Met folk who teach there. It may be another program at which to take a look if you want to stay in that region.

Not much to add other than another voice of support. NKU is a great program, a lot of talent has come out of there.

They do the Lincoln show in the summer, right?

I have heard many stories about them being big in the “transfer game” because they are such a supportive mom/dad type program.

@TheaterHiringCo‌, I’m so glad you weighed in! I was going to PM you to ask if it is one of the “weaker” or “stronger” schools to which you alluded in the SETC thread.

@TheaterHiringCo‌ - Yes, that’s them in some manner on the Lincoln show. I think Ken Jones wrote or co-wrote it, some of the professors were/are in it. But I don’t think it is at the campus and not sure that it is officially affiliated with NKU or Commonwealth Theatre (their summer group), although it might be. I remember seeing something about it last summer and was curious since I’m interested in US history, but couldn’t attend so I didn’t keep the info.

@mom4bwayboy‌ - on your question, she can’t tell for socio-economic status. Not a lot of racial minorities in theatre, but there are some and she thinks the ones who are there are amazing. I’d be very surprised if there were not open to minorities just given the general vibe of the school and theatre program.

Eponine was one of the minority cast members in Les Mis, and, as I said, she was the best Eponine I’ve seen so far. Her character was so real, and she sang incredibly well (as did the others). I actually had to wipe tears from my eyes during On My Own! It was so real.

Well now. I knew NKU was on the affordable side … but holy crap. D got an email today - literally ONE MINUTE after WMU said no thanks, from NKU accepting her academically w/ a merit scholarship.

Opened the snail mail from NKU a minute ago and she qualifies for the Metro Rate as well. (Less than OOS.)

Honest to God I did the math several times over. Holy cow is NKU cheap.

Congrats @kaMaMom :slight_smile:

@vvnstar … just want to make it clear that it was an ACADEMIC acceptance … she doesn’t audition there until 4/4.

BUT HOLY CRAP IS NKU AFFORDABLE.

Affordable is good. Good luck at audition.

Hey I’m raellis123’s daughter who goes to NKU! I didn’t realize he was talking about me online until today, but now I want to throw in my own opinions.

Voice lessons–I talked to a lot of freshmen last semester who didn’t know they could get lessons and thus didn’t. I’m actually fairly certain I was the only freshman to get any last semester, but there are many this semester who are in lessons. I do have a critique on lessons though–we only get 11 lessons for a 16-week semester (technically, one of these is a makeup lesson but you can have it even if you didn’t miss any). I was not too thrilled when I first found this out and I still don’t actually know the reasoning. Otherwise, I love my teacher and lessons are good.

Minorities/diversity–As a whole campus, we are pretty diverse. There are a lot of minorities, though I don’t know the statistics. We are less diverse in the theatre program. I doubt that it’s because of faculty choosing not to admit these students, however. As my dad said, I think the few people of color we have in our program are amazing (yes, Eponine is one of them. We also have two guys who were cast in The Wedding Singer last semester who are also fantastic) and I’d definitely love if we became even more diverse in upcoming years. We’re on the whole a very accepting community.

Affordability–Yes. Scholarships are fantastic. That was honestly probably the biggest reason I chose to come to NKU, but I am so glad I did. I haven’t had many issues with financial aid, but I know there are others who have many issues, so be on the lookout there.

I really love NKU and love our program. Feel free to ask any questions, I’ll respond when I have time. That or text my dad and force him to respond for me (love you Dad). :wink: