Northwestern vs. Berkeley ECON

So I got into both Northwestern University & UC Berkeley for my undergraduate. I plan to major in Econ and will apply for MMSS if I choose NU. However, there is a chance I won’t get into MMSS and so I want to choose carefully between these two universities. I’m an international student so the difference in cost is negligible for me so please suggest which university I should choose in terms of:

  • Undergraduate Econ Programs
  • Prestige in the US and Internationally
  • Which one would appeal more to top graduate schools
  • job prospects after graduation

Thanks!

Man, I wish more of these quantitative social sciences programs existed when I was a college student. I would’ve jumped on them quickly.

-You’re applying to undergrad, not grad school, so you shouldn’t be selecting on the basis of the “undergraduate econ program” - you’re choosing a college/university as a whole, not a program. That said, both Northwestern and Berkeley have excellent economics departments.

-Both are very prestigious in the U.S. and internationally.

-Both will likely appeal equally to top graduate schools.

-Both have excellent job prospects after graduation.

This is one of those decisions where you could really flip a coin and come out fine. For post-graduation outcomes, it doesn’t matter which one you choose. You’ll do well at either, and you’ll do well after either. So really, you can (and should) make your choice on the basis of other factors. Because while academically and reputationally these schools are quite similar, in other senses they are very different.

Size: Berkeley has over 27,000 undergraduates and Northwestern only has 9,000. That’s a very different experience: a medium-sized undergraduate population vs. a quite large one.

Location: Berkeley is in the sunny, warm Bay Area, where the weather will stay nice year-round. Berkeley also has a pretty distinctive culture around it. Evanston is in the northern Midwest, which will get very cold during the winter. They are both very close to a major city - San Francisco and Chicago respectively, which also makes a difference - which one would you rather be close to? But even given that, I think Berkeley has more of a feel of a city in its own right whereas Evanston is more definitely a suburb of Chicago.

Student Body: Achievement-wise and academically the students will be quite similar. But 85% of Berkeley students come from California, whereas only 33% of Northwestern’s students come from Illinois. Still, CA is a really big and very diverse state. Both are pretty diverse racially/ethnically but Berkeley is likely to be more socioeconomically diverse.

There’s also the not-insignificant fact that Northwestern has a program you really want to apply to. Even if you don’t get into MMSS you’ll still be at a world-class university in a great department for your interests.

@juillet This was very helpful and a great relief! I was leaning towards NU but I was worried about the graduate school/job prospects factor. Thank you so much!

FWIW - Evanston has a more urban than suburban feel and you can get trains right into the city - frequent and fast. I would look also at the strength of their alumni networks. Thee main differences, as noted above, are the size and geographic diversity of the students (partly due to public vs private). I would give the nod to NU but both are comparable. I believe NU is a bit more selective so altogether your student body may be of higher caliber.

You may also consider Kellogg certificate if you are interested in MMSS.

NU has an endowment of over $10 billion. UCB is broke and has to make some serious cuts over the next few years. And don’t let anyone sell you on the idea that the weather is sunny and warm all year in the Bay Area. It’s not. It’s a lot warmer than Evanston though.

As a reference point, “US Economics Departments,” IDEAS (online).

Juliet outlined the differences nicely except for the Berkeley weather…I used to live there and “sunny and warm” isn’t how I’d describe it. The San Francisco area has a bizarre climate that is very different from the stereotypical Los Angeles beach and bikini weather: only some sunny days, lots of very cool nights, and more clouds and fog than you expected. And no swimming in the ocean without a wet suit. Mark Twain famously said the most uncomfortable.winter he ever endured was summer in.San Francisco.

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Okay SF weather > Chicago weather. But if I were you I’d pick NU for no other reason than its size. Go to UC-B for grad school.