Here was the old admitted students page: http://admissions.nd.edu/information-for/admitted-students/
Interesting. Speculations on why they did it especially since they just released it a few days ago?
Sounds awful, but I’m kind of happy it wasn’t yesterday because I really got out all of my emotions, today I feel beyond calm. Maybe it was a good thing. And I really do hope it’s tonight because tomorrow night I’m working and I’d rather be in a chill place.
I wish it was yesterday… I have two finals today and I’m stressing about everything
@User1555 I feel exactly the same way. Now I just want to get it over with!
anybody knows when will their decisions come out? I m freaking out!!!
Yesterday, I was beyond unstable and nervous. It’s good to have gotten out all of my shakes @ndhopeful2022
Well, according to shumbb, decisions will be released tonight (or for me, tomorrow morning since I’m in China), but take this with a grain of salt. ND is quite tight on this, and no official messages can indicate that today is the day.
I’m sooo nervous ahh!!
I have a 1470 SAT
4.0UW 4.6W
Founder of nonprofit, class president, beta president, leader of lots of other organizations
Leader of outside school service program
Tons of service and great recs
All AP and IB classes-8 senior year
I think I’m right on the cut line but I want to here so badly
@Lupescupe The data do not suggest that ND is moving away from having a strong cohort of legacy admits. Don Bishop has stated that over the past 25 years, ND likes the entering class of be between 20-25% alumni children, most often around 22%, 23%, or 24%.
Here are the percentiles of the class for the past 7 entering classes:
Class of 2015: 24% alumni children
Class of 2016: 24%
Class of 2017: 24%
Class of 2018: 23%
Class of 2019: 23%
Class of 2020: 22%
Class of 2021: 24%
Also, there’s really nothing “country club” about ND. Yes, the campus is manicured like a country club, but at ND, not only is it not easy to get in, and it’s not easy academically once you are in.
I can’t wait !!! DS is already accepted into several GOOD schools (60%-70% acceptance rate). But ND will be the first exclusive school (10-20% acceptance range) to respond, as his others are March regular decisions (Northwestern, Rice, Vandy, and WashU). I know they have independent criteria, so a ‘no’ at ND doesn’t mean a ‘no’ from the others, but it will be a good indication on his chances. Good luck to everyone!
@golf111 You have literally no reason to be nervous, as you are way above the cut. So stop.
Not sure how reliable this source is, but someone on Reddit just posted on the Notre Dame page that decisions will come out tomorrow. They claim to be a student at ND and apparantly heard it from people talking in the main office. Again, please take with a grain of salt, but it definitely seems likely!
Agree with you @GeronimoAlpaca. Legacies are generally highly qualified on their own. My kid has high stats (1st in class, 4.5, 34, vars capt, yadayada) and is a super kid all around.
@Domer85 Don Bishop made an interesting point about the legacy students in a presentation from several years ago. He discussed the legacy pool as having a somewhat “bi-modal” makeup. About half of the legacy admits were in the very upper part of ND’s overall applicant pool, and the other half did indeed benefit to some degree by ND’s “loyalty” to alumni children.
He concluded by saying that about “250 kids per class” (or 1,000 kids in total across the 4 classes) would not have gotten in were it not for ND’s commitment to kids of alumni. Now, granted this presentation was from several years ago, and certainly legacy admissions has become more rigorous as the overall applicant pool has continued to rise. As recently as the Class of 2018 that was admitted 4 years ago, the legacy admit rate was 43% and the non-legacy admit rate was 19%. The legacy admit rate today is likely below 40%, but that’s still way better than 18.7% admit rate overall…
“Also, there’s really nothing “country club” about ND. Yes, the campus is manicured like a country club, but at ND, not only is it not easy to get in, and it’s not easy academically once you are in.”
I think the comment was about SES profile and diversity, not about being easy academically.
In terms of SES profile, ND (like most other top 20 schools) is pretty country clubish. Median family income is $191k. 15% of kids are from the top 1% ($630k and up) but 10% of kids from the bottom 60% ($65k and below).
Having twice as many legacies as other top 20s is a big part of ND’s strong community and culture – there’s a reason the admission letters start off by saying “Welcome Home.”. But it does come with that SES baggage. I would say that ND’s culture, despite its well-to-do student demographics, is very admirable when it comes to ethics, service, social justice.
In an ideal world, ND would probably like to dial back the number of well-to-do suburban legacy kids a little bit and replace them with some more outstanding lower income students. But that takes a LOT of money and time. ND has very good financial aid, but it isn’t up at the HYPS uber level. Fwiw, Harvard’s median income for example is $169k.
I just think that the best candidates should get in regardless of legacy status, income, or URM status.
So it’s coming out tomorrow now, or today? Who even knows at this point? It’s just hard to wait!
@ak9800 agree, but that is not the world we live in. Our outlook on admission chances has literally changed overnight. Yesterday was a hopeful day and then turned out to be a false alarm. Today, for some reason, rejection is 100% expected. Son is moving on already. He has a few good schools that he’s still looking at, but just trying to hang on at this point. Crazy roller-coaster ride!
@northwesty Excellent point about the “country club” aspect being a comment on the socio-economic profile of the student body. Spot on, and surely that’s what @Lupescupe was hitting on with the original country club comment. Out of curiosity, what’s “SES?”
@ak9800 Every candidate without a “hook” or “special tag” feels the same way as you do. But that’s not the way it works at ND, where recruited athletes, students of color, international students, and children of alums do receive a little bit of a boost. How much of a “boost” is the secret sauce never to be shared, but that’s just the reality of the situation. Lots of other schools like MIT, Caltech, UC Berkeley, UCLA, etc., do not look at legacy status in the admissions profile, but ND is all about “tradition” and the admissions office must feel that legacy kids help preserve that “family tradition.”
Geronimo’s post has it right.
Probably about half the ND legacy kids don’t need the legacy boost to get in.
In the short term (with current available financial dollars), if ND dialed back its legacy policies for the other half, you would probably lose some pretty smart, well-to-do, suburban legacy kids and replace them with slightly smarter, well-to-do, suburban non-legacy kids. ND chooses to give those legacy kids a little bit of boost to add to its strong culture, enroll more full pay students, keep its yield higher and its admit rate lower.
Also, ND doesn’t use early decision. Many of its top 20 peers (Duke, NW, Vandy, Penn, etc.) rely upon ED heavily (in addition to legacy) to get the same effects.
All the schools need to enroll lots of smart kids while also staying within financial aid budget. They all deploy various tools (merit aid, ED, legacy, etc.) to hit the target.