so today or tomorrow?
I believe that there should be some sort of legacy component to the admissions. Obviously, I have an inherent bias as a legacy kid, but I grew up going to Notre Dame games and visiting the campus. I’ve met Father Ted and have helped out the South Bend Community in ways which non-legacy kids have not been able to. Not everyone who is legacy should be admitted, but it should be taken into consideration in the admissions process and be used almost as a tie braker.
Neither ND nor other schools knows the income of students when they make their decision.
Socio-economic status @GeronimoAlpaca
The adcoms don’t need to know each kid’s individual family income.
Because ND knows that the SES demographic of its alumni is way way above average. Sure there’s some ND alums who are school teachers, but there’s also lots and lots of doctors, lawyers and bankers. And by definition, the legacy pool will not have any first generation students.
The legacy pool at the top schools is a very upscale demographic. It is a great place for ND and other top schools to find enrollees (which is different and more important than admitees) who are very smart and overall are going to require less financial aid. It makes total sense and I don’t think there’s any problem with it. It works great for ND.
And ND has been very successful with their method of choosing students. No need to change.
Yield is very important to ND. I would bet that legacy admits plays a significant role in ND maintaining such a high yield rate…usually greater than 50%.
The speculation has certainly quieted down today, I know the kiddos are in school so it will pick up in a few hours.
All I have seen today is one ‘insider’ saying Wednesday. Still hoping it’s today.
Yield is very important to nearly all universities. The large majority of ones with profiles sort of like Notre Dame (Northwestern, Duke, Penn, Chicago, Cornell, etc) use early decision very heavily to boost yield. Notre Dame is able to avoid ED and forcing kids to commit in October because of ND’s popularity with legacies. I think they get a larger fraction of alumni kids applying and I know they have a sky high yield with these kids when admitted.
As northwesty said, not counting legacy without changing anything else would probably just change out a few suburban legacy kids for a few suburban non-legacy kids. That would almost certainly be a net loss given the weakening of the family ties that would result. And all of the “changing other things” that would really change SES are some combination of very expensive and uncertain in their effect on the Catholic fraction of the student population.
I really hope they come out today! I heard from insider info that it’s either today or tomorrow…anyone have any other information?
Also…;… go irish!
omg me too! i got a 36 tho so i think I’m fine!!!
36, great job, you should be proud !!! I know schools want more than just scores and grades (activities and community service). But a 36 with just enough of those extras should get you in most places. I wish my son had studied for it, he probably could have done better than a 33.
I’m sure NDs strong legacy policy pumps up the yield. It also is just part of the ND recipe.
Other schools get to the same place in different ways. Duke, for example, is a big user of ED. 50% of the class comes via ED and the yield on ED offers approaches 100%!
Gtown only does one third of the legacies that ND does and doesn’t use ED. But they get to 50% yield by making it a pain to apply (no Common App, lots of supplements, mandatory interviews, REA). So the casual potential applicant (who might be inclined to turn Gtown down) often gets filtered out by the app process.
More than one way to skin the cat.
I wonder how long they may have delayed compared to last year to accommodate those in the hurricane affected areas this year.
@northwesty - not to mention 3 SAT ll’s!!
The fact that the admitted student page went up and then was taken down today (and is still down - http://admissions.nd.edu/information-for/admitted-students/) is not a good sign for decisions coming out today. Seems like something has gone wrong that prevented them from announcing last night.
looking like they will come out tomorrow
Haven’t totally given up hope for today… still over 3 hours to get everything back up and ready!
They might have taken down the website so that nobody could access the confirm link and find our early