NU Draws 2000 Students for Fall 2005

<p>NU draws 2,000 to enroll in fall 2006</p>

<p>By Michelle Ma</p>

<p>May 16, 2005</p>

<p>After the uncertainty and frenzy surrounding the May 1 college decision deadline, more than 2,000 high school seniors have chosen to attend Northwestern in the fall. </p>

<p>This number surpasses last May’s enrollment decisions by more than 100 students. As of Friday, 2,018 admitted applicants submitted tuition deposits confirming their place in the Class of 2009, said Rebecca Dixon, associate provost for enrollment. But this number will drop in the coming weeks as some students decide to attend other schools, she said. The target class size is 1,925 freshmen.</p>

<p>“We have what we consider a very high number of deposits,” Dixon said. “We’re very pleased.”</p>

<p>SAT scores for these students exceed scores from last year.</p>

<p>The average composite SAT score for students who sent in deposits is 1403 – six points higher than the average at this time last year. The average verbal score is 691 and the average math score is 712, both increasing from last year. Average test scores typically drop before the fall because some of the “best students” will choose other schools, Dixon said. </p>

<p>The final enrollment numbers will not be available until this fall, she said. During the summer, unforeseen situations may cause students to withdraw their enrollment from NU.</p>

<p>“We feel quite comfortable with the number of freshmen, and what remains to be seen is how much melt there is going to be,” Dixon said. </p>

<p>“Melt” occurs when students make a tuition deposit at NU but then decide to not enroll in the fall. Due to lingering indecisiveness by the May 1 deadline, some students deposit money at two or more universities to ensure a spot in the classes but later decide to turn down all but one school, Dixon said. </p>

<p>The university sent letters this week canceling admission offers to students who hadn’t told NU if they intended to enroll. Although it is too late for indecisive students to send in an enrollment deposit, some students still determining financial aid have been given more time, Dixon said. </p>

<p>After the required housing deposit deadline in late May, it will be more clear how many students plan to enroll at NU, she said. </p>

<p>“This year, because the deposits are high, we don’t know for sure we won’t use (the waitlist) because after the housing deposit date has come and gone there could be some great fall-off,” Dixon said. </p>

<p>University President Henry Bienen said transfer students will be admitted in the coming months. </p>

<p>“They always like to take some transfers,” Bienen said. “That’s just a policy to pick out some interesting people who are transfer students.”</p>

<p>Ten international students out of the 102 enrolled international students will receive university financial aid for the first time next year. </p>

<p>This new move will give 10 international students selected for financial aid loan and scholarship money for their four undergraduate years. International students are ineligible for federal financial aid and have never been granted aid from NU before. Aid packages were individually created and do not exceed $10,000 each year for each student, Dixon said. </p>

<p>The number of black students who have paid deposits is 121 students, up from 111 students at this time last year. This year 125 Hispanic students – the same number as last year – plan to enroll. </p>

<p>Reach Michelle Ma at <a href=“mailto:m-ma@northwestern.edu”>m-ma@northwestern.edu</a>.</p>

<p>I do not understand then why Northwestern publishes that their SAT range for last year’s class is 1320-1500, which would mean a 1410 SAT average for last year. This fact indicates that the SAT average for this year’s enrolled kids is a 1403, which will probably drop to a 1390 after the “melt.” Therefore, the article states that last year at this time, the average was a 1397, which also probably droped to a 1380-1390. Therefore, am I missing something, plz explain?? I feel like every school is extremely shady w. their SAT info.</p>

<p>1320-1500 is the 25-75 percentile. The average doesn’t necessarily cut in the middle of that range just as median doesn’t necessarily equal to the mean. I think if you go over some definitions of stats terms, you’ll figure it out.</p>

<p>The drop, if any, after the melt should be very minimal actually because when you have about 2000 students, it takes quite many best scorers to withdraw (happens probably only if HYPMS take many cross-admits off their waitlists) to drop the average by even a few points. If you don’t see how, try to simiulate 2000 data points that has 1320-1500 as 25-75 percentile and average of around 1400 on excel and play around with it. It’d be a good exercise for you. Actually if last year average was 1397 at this time of the year, there was actually a GAIN of 1 point by the fall because I remember I read the NU’s article about last year’s freshman class and the average was 1398.</p>

<p>I took AP STAT last year and got a 5 on the test. I am fairly aware of stat terms and statistics in general. However, when you say a 25th percentile is 1320 and the 75th percentile is around 1500. Therefore, the 50th percentile, which is roughly close to the mean should be a 1410. The range you sited is last year’s published range for Northwestern’s freshman class. Therefore, if last year’s average was a 1398, then the published range for last year is indeed inaccurate.</p>

<p>Football players skew the distribution left</p>

<p>Neither the median nor the mean have to be exactly (1320+1500)/2. Are they expected to be close to 1410? It depends but in this case, yes. Is 1398 and 1410 close in this case? Yes. The true mean can easily differ by 12 points (really not much considering you are talking about 1400) if the distribution skews just slightly to the left. LOL! It could very well be because of those football players just like krk3561 said. ;)</p>

<p>lol krk
yeah you have to remember that unlike all the other elite schools except duke and (possibly) stanford, northwestern is actually in a good sports conference. They need a lot of sweet athletes to compete. I’m definetly of the school of thought that we will have more 1220s or less in our class than 1600s.</p>

<p>except, mw, if you took a look at NUs sports program, and why it sucks so much, and talk to any of the athletes and people who pay attention to teh athletics there, NU compromises its academics for athletics to a much less degree than stanford or duke even. which means that not all top athletes have a chance at going to NU, which means your little anectdote about the 1220s just isnt true. </p>

<p>The one football player i met at NU was a Bill Gate’s Millenium scholar (bill gates chooses a handful of black kids and gives them all the money tehy need for colelge because they are so exceptional) and had a better SAT score than I do. lets not make generalizations. </p>

<p>Now, as for that terrible statistical analysis. If you report the IQR as 1320-1500, that means that 25% of the student body has above a 1500. It doesnt tell you whether they all got 1600s or all got 1510s, but eitehr is possible (if however unlikely in this case) and similarly, 25% of people got below a 1320. They could all have 800s, for all we know.
You cant make assumptions about the shape of a distribution based on the IQR. I think what you are trying to do is assume a normal distrubution (which is okay because we have such a large population sample) and use that to say that the mean should fall exactly halfway between teh 25th adn 75th percentile. </p>

<p>As your own analysis shows, the assumption of normality didnt work out too well. Its very possible that the mean does not fall halfway between, because its very possible that the distribution isnt normal.</p>

<p>As TheCity already mentioned, the distribution isn’t perfectly normal. One should realize that normal distribution is learned in school because many real-world variables’ distribution are approximately, but not exactly, normal. It is a good MODEL for application. That’s the difference between the real world and the problem sets in textbook.</p>

<p>TheCity, I didnt mean to offend. I was just kidding, playing off the stereotype. I dont think anyone took my comment seriously.</p>

<p>chillax dude i was just kidding too, I actually play football, though I won’t in college. I just don’t think that they skewed their results at all. I would say its probably just a case of the scores above the 25-75 being closer to the range than those below it. but if i’m wrong i really don’t care. I understand that the athletes are great students as well.</p>

<p>On a side note, Northwestern was actually 4th (I think) in the Big Ten in football last year. They should be pretty decent this year, especially if they schedule some worse teams to play in their nonconference schedule. what screwed them over last year was that they played real teams when they could have been playing louisiana-laffeyette and southern illinois. Also they went all the way to hawaii at the end of the year and lost a game they could easily have won. I think they lost their running back, but I’m pretty sure they have that basanez (sp?) guy back at quarterback. I’m excited for the games.</p>

<p>One of the running backs is an alumni of my high school, Gerard Hamlett.</p>

<p>My school was also named #3 in the nation by SI for athletics, which I thought was pretty cool, so I had to brag.</p>

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<p>yeah, they should be very good. the best player that tehy lost to graduation was a lineman, he was drafted in the first round (24th overall) by the chargers i believe.
I know football is a stereotype, im sorry if i came across as high strung, i really didnt mean to be so, i just thought Id add some info is all.</p>

<p>hey my bad those were very good points
actually i checked out the Northwestern schedule tonight with my friends who are going to Wisconsin and NU has a beast of a conference schedule (no Indiana) but should win all of their nonconference games. I’m a pretty big fan of Big 10 football (live in Minnesota) and I hope Northwestern goes to a sweet Bowl this year. It would be awesome if they went to the Rose Bowl while we were there, if only for the parties we would have.</p>

<p>yeah… they made the motor city bowl a couple years ago… the only time they made the rose bowl was 1995-6 I believe. theres a pretty good chance of them making another bowl game while we’re there. Of course the Big Ten is a really tough football conference. We beat Ohio State last year when tehy were ranked #4 nationally. the whole place went nuts, as you can imagine. It was the homecoming game at NU, and the first nighttime nationally televised game ever, it also snowed.
This year we have a night game for homecoming too, against michigan, it will be awesome. </p>

<p>What would really be exciting and worth partying for is if the basketball team made the NCAA tournament. theyve never made the tournament, ever, so if they make it, we’ll go nuts. And the new coach Bill Carmody is kicking ass with the program so there is a lot of hope.</p>