NU vs Michigan

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<p>"<a href=“http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf”>http://www.nationalmerit.org/annual_report.pdf&lt;/a&gt; (scroll to pages 38-39)</p>

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<li>Harvard College: 268

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<li>Yale University: 206</li>
<li>Stanford University: 195</li>
<li>Princeton University: 181</li>
<li>Massachusetts Institute of Technology: 160</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania: 117</li>
<li>Duke University: 112</li>
<li>Columbia University: 91</li>
<li>University of California-Berkeley: 90</li>
<li>University of Chicago: 86</li>
<li>Brown University: 79</li>
<li>Dartmouth College: 76</li>
<li>Northwestern University: 67</li>
<li>Washington University in St. Louis: 64</li>
<li>University of Texas-Austin: 57</li>
<li>Cornell University: 54</li>
<li>Vanderbilt University: 50</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology: 49</li>
<li>University of Michigan-Ann Arbor: 46</li>
<li>Rice University: 43"</li>
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<p>Just another listing that shows Michigan is a top 20 school. Thanks for providing further evidence goldenboy!</p>

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<p>^Well I would hope Michigan would make such a list when it has nearly 30K undergrads. If you adjust for a per student basis it doesn’t come close, however.</p>

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<p>UCB, excluding APL from JHU( (despite its vast opportunities for students to do research and intern there - Something I actually know about as a slew of my classmates did it) is almost as absurd as you trying to include UCSF as Berkeley’s medical school. Neither of which will happen in your wildest dreams.</p>

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<p>And Sam, hard to believe UCB has a Ph.D. if so, his posting patterns (aka daily or so for the past year for the last 3 years) do not speak well of whatever employment field he is in. But then again, the same could be said for you…=) - even with an overpriced management science degree from Stanford!</p>

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<p>^ Why do you always have to make this personal? </p>

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I was thinking more along the lines of including LBNL…which actually borders Berkeley’s campus, unlike JHU and APL.</p>

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<p>“Well I would hope Michigan would make such a list when it has nearly 30K undergrads.”</p>

<p>Michigan has about 26,000 undergraduate students. However, I am glad that your hopes have been realized.</p>

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<p>“For some, Northwestern is elitist and lacks school spirit in comparison to a place like Michigan.”</p>

<p>This is rich. A pro-Michigan blowhard calling NU elitist.</p>

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<p>These sorts of threads are silly, and always devolve into some sort of flamewar. Both schools offer different things; it all depends on the prospective student’s desires in a college.</p>

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<p>Personally, I think NU is one of the most humble top 20 USNWR schools.</p>

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<p>If you had to rate all the top schools by “likelihood of their alumni to insist that THEIR school is uniformly BETTER than any other school on a CC thread where pros and cons are being debated,” Michigan would undoubtedly beat NU.</p>

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<p>“This is rich.”</p>

<p>A common expression used by elitists. :-)</p>

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<p>JHU is a fantastic school and is underrated by most Americans. My reasoning for posing that question Alexandre was to find out why…I think Blah2009 answered that question very well.</p>

<p>I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what Vanderbilt is doing either; it knows that it doesn’t have quite the caliber of faculty that Northwestern or JHU does so its using merit money to attract stronger students. That’s probably its only route to move up in the academic world given its unlikely to attract a much larger share of superstar faculty members from the Ivies, Stanford, JHU, etc. in the future.</p>

<p>Enrolling the best undergraduates is just as important as hiring the best faculty members for a university’s reputation IMHO. Remember, it is usually the alums of the university that actually carry the degree from there so their postrgraduate accomplishments will be assessed to determine the quality of the school.</p>

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<p>"If you had to rate all the top schools by “likelihood of their alumni to insist that THEIR school is uniformly BETTER than any other school on a CC thread where pros and cons are being debated,” Michigan would undoubtedly beat NU.</p>

<p>Michigan partisans don’t, “insist that THEIR school is uniformly BETTER than any other school on CC.” Partisans of other top private schools are constantly insisting that Michigan doesn’t belong being ranked among their favorite colleges. That is the difference.</p>

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<p>^ This is rich… </p>

<p>But I agree. :-)</p>

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<p>Just because a michigan fan is adamant about his school, doesn’t mean he is “uniformly insisting his school is better”</p>

<p>But at the same time, just because an elite private school fan voices his opinion that his school trumps Michigan, doesn’t mean he is elitist either.</p>

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<p>Oh, it’s just that … some of you take it so <em>personally.</em> That’s all. Michigan gives a fine education; if someone else doesn’t think it “ranks with the very top,” why would you really care, if it isn’t out of insecurity? I mean, if someone were to say NU is no HYP – well, whatever, that’s their opinion; it’s not important for me to “set them straight.” There are plenty of great colleges and NU and Michigan are among both of them. Of course my heart is with NU, but it’s not like I <em>have</em> to convince everyone deciding between NU and Michigan that they’d be making a horrible mistake if they went to Michigan. My own quiet satisfaction with my (and husband’s and son’s) NU education is enough for me.</p>

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<p>Haha there are some michigan fans who would recommend Michigan over all but maybe half a dozen schools. </p>

<p>The school pride is admirable though.</p>

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<p>“if someone else doesn’t think it “ranks with the very top,” why would you really care, if it isn’t out of insecurity?”</p>

<p>But I never see anyone saying that Michigan, “ranks with the very top.” NU, as even you acknowledge, is not the very top. You would have no problem with someone saying that NU is no HYP etc. Yet somehow, you do have a problem with someone saying that Michigan is an academic peer of Northwestern. That’s the difference that you just won’t acknowledge. That is your prerogative. I just don’t happen to agee.</p>

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<p>Well everyone is entitled to their opinion. Someone could argue Northwestern is a peer of Uchicago if they wanted. Just as someone can argue that Michigan is a peer of Northwestern. I’m not saying either of those opinions are right or wrong, I’m just saying everyone can have their own take on things.</p>

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<p>“Someone could argue Northwestern is a peer of Stanford if they wanted. Just as someone can argue that Michigan is a peer of Northwestern.”</p>

<p>The difference is of course that NU is NOT a peer of Stanford, but it is a peer of Michigan. :-)</p>

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<p>Good grief.</p>