<p>A SUNY Geneseo student died in March in a drinking/hazing incident. The father is suing the frat brothers who “plied” his son with alcohol. What do you think about what he’s doing?</p>
<p>We had a similar situation nearby at Cal Poly SLO. I fully support any parent to do whatever they think is right. I have never dealt with what they are going through. In the situation at Cal Poly, from what I understand the family feels that by taking this action they may prevent someone else’s death.<br>
To me this is beyond personal judgement. I support the family in any decision they make.</p>
<p>For a start, hazing is illegal in NY. I have no problem with the family doing whatever it takes legally to get organizations and individuals to recognize this fact and cease this behavior. The son already paid too high a price.</p>
<p>Colleges need to be more accountable, at least for the enforcement of rules that are already in place. On the toerh hand, civil litigation should be a last resort. Schools are already pinched, and money won’t bring anyone back.</p>
<p>I really see absolutely nothing wrong with hazing. I dont see it as a crime, personally. The kid could have walked away and said no. The law shouldn’t protect stupidity.</p>
<p>I don’t believe the parents are suing the school.They are suing the fraternity brothers.</p>
<p>I actually don’t know why more parents don’t sue the fraternity brothers. There was an alcohol poisoning death last year at Wabash college. The boy was a freshman, and was from a non-drinking family. He’d spoken with his cousin and his grandparents about the pressure to drink, and the excessive drinking going on there. Wabash has a system where the pledges move right into the house as freshmen. How hard would it be for a kid to walk away from that? The school is 70% greek, so leaving your fraternity would be difficult,and to do so as a freshman who is far away from home would make it even harder. I think it’s time to hold those accountable that are pushing the pledges to drink to excess.</p>
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And yet, it protects the rights of Ayn Rand’s estate to collect royalties on her copyrights, which allows you to form your opinions!</p>
<p>^^^ lol!!</p>
<p>Check out member’s other posts…don’t feed the ■■■■■.</p>
<p>In fairness, I don’t think member is a ■■■■■. I really do think he’s a teenager who’s been reading Ayn Rand (or something like that). His opinions are pretty consistent. I think they’re consistently wrong, and are based on a youthful innocence about reality, but at least he might learn something here.</p>
<p>Hazing is illegal. Those frat kids hazed. They are accountable under the law. Seems simple to me. When you break the law, you are wide open to the consequences whether you feel that it is not a crime to break it. Hopefully this law suit causes enough trouble and publicity to slow down and stop some hazing.</p>
<p>How can a opinion be wrong, they are subjective. While I know if Rand, ive actually never read one of her books. I dont really read all to much on politics, I just state my beliefs which I base on what I think is best for the individual and the race in general, as well as what mathematics tell me in economics. I like this website, because it has enabled me to completely solidify my political beliefs. It has hardened my debate skills incredibly, its almost algorithmic now. Thanks guys.</p>
<p>An opinion is wrong when it contains incorrect facts. Hazing is a crime in NY. Whether you think it should be a crime is an opinion. But to say there is nothing wrong with hazing when it is a crime, is wrong.</p>
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<p>But opinions of citizens are irrelevant when it comes to LAW. If hazing is a crime in NY, then your opinion is completely meaningless. “I don’t see it as a crime, personally.” You don’t get to decide. What you think has absolutely no bearing.</p>
<p>Laws can be changed, so actually it does. Laws also dont portray what is right or wrong, they simply portray what the majority thinks is proper.</p>
<p>Yes, but you didn’t say the law wasn’t right, you said in your opinion it wasn’t a crime. That’s not a matter of opinion, either something is or is not against the law in a certain jurisdiction. We don’t get to tell the court, “well, my opinion is there’s nothing wrong with what I did, my opinion is that I didn’t break the law.” Doesn’t work that way.</p>
<p>As this is a civil case, the only opinions which will matter will be that of the jury.</p>
<p>Opinions can be based on ignorance, misunderstanding of the facts, lack of experience, and failure to apply logic.</p>
<p>member, if you haven’t read Ayn Rand, you should. Her books embody the (arrested, in her case) adolescent fantasy of the teenager as the superman who is completely independent, and doesn’t need anybody’s help, because he is superior. When you actually read her books with a critical eye (particularly if you are older than, say, 15), you will see how absurd her point of view is. I also think her point of view is fundamentally immoral, but that’s a different issue.</p>
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<p>As a young chinese child, I was brainwashed by my government that communism is good for us. In class we sang in the prasing communism. Result was not enough to eat. When I did okay in college, I moved to USA, I read Ayn Rand. I may not agree with her views 100%, but living in both countries, I can say personal freedom comes with a big personal responsibility. I still feel society has to take care of infrims, weak and old and those who can not defend itself.</p>
<p>I am over 50 and let me tell you Ayn Rand views are far better than Karl Marx.
Why do say that look at china now. The government finds it can feed it’s people better and give a better living standard than what karl Marx had preached.</p>
<p>I am first responible myself for my actions than blaming others for my problems. Ina merica everone expect governmet to do it for them. The one who wants to go ahead take responsibility and work hard. </p>
<p>This young man did not use its brain. Others were criminally wrong if somone forced alchoal in his throat and should be punished. If he drank on his accord, he made a choice that was bad. In this case no one told him that he has to drink till he dies, only he could have made a choice to walk away and he did not. It is bad, yes and I feel sorry for father. But Still this was a decision made by a young man who was older than 18.</p>
<p>And yet what they did is still against the law in New York. Which has nothing to do with Karl Marx.</p>