Obama and Clinton: two cynical losers

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<p>How do they do it? How do the Democrats manage to squander repeatedly and with such ease the chance of a lifetime? What inverse alchemy have they created that turns the gold bullion of electoral opportunity into the base metal of political oblivion? </p>

<p>Eight years of George Bush, an unpopular war and a recession have handed the Democrats their best chance, not merely of winning their first presidential election in 12 years, but of achieving a rare, once-in-a- generation transformational shift in American politics. </p>

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<p>Until about a month ago Barack Obama had done a brilliant job of presenting himself as a transcendent figure, the mixed-race candidate with bipartisan appeal who promised to heal the historic and modern rifts in American life. </p>

<p>But the mask has slipped. Under pressure in a Democratic primary, Mr Obama has sounded just like any other tax-raising, government-loving Democratic politician. Worse, he has revealed himself to be a member of that special subset of the party’s liberal elite - a well-educated man with a serious superiority complex. </p>

<p>His worst moment of the campaign was when he was caught telling liberal sophisticates about his anthropological observations on the campaign trail. In the misery of their daily lives, he said, the hicks out there in the sticks cling to religion and guns and the other irrational necessities of the unenlightened life. His wife had earlier told voters that they should be grateful that someone of his protean talents had deigned to come among them and be their president. </p>

<p>The events of the last month have also revealed another side of Mr Obama that threatens to undermine his whole message. He is a cynic. He tells the mavens of San Francisco one thing and the great unwashed of Pennsylvania another. In defending his long relationship with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, he shopped his own grandmother, comparing the reverend’s views (God Damn America! The US deliberately spread Aids among the black population) to his grandmother’s occasionally expressed fears about the potential of being the victim of crime at the hands of an African-American. </p>

<p>Hillary Clinton, meanwhile, has been busy shedding the final vestiges of shame and honesty in her desperate attempt to save her candidacy. She has abandoned any pretence of a message, and simply seized on every opening presented to her by her opponent. </p>

<p>[Obama</a> and Clinton: two cynical losers | Gerard Baker - Times Online](<a href=“http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3811396.ece]Obama”>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article3811396.ece)</p>

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<p>More media hogwash to convince us that we have two losers. I don’t agree, and once the nominee is chosen (by the superdelagates, as that’s what this has come down to) the Dems will rally, McCain will start receiving his share of attacks from the candidate (although, unlikely from the media) and we’ll get to see his “mask slip.” He’s waltzed so far with no competition. </p>

<p>I still believe either Democrat can beat McCain. Even though they are tearing each other apart and their poll numbers have slipped against him, they are holding surprisingly close in the national polls. McCain has a lot of negatives, and they will come out during the general campaign.</p>

<p>At first they were saying Obama was naive, now they are saying he’s a cynic. It’s all made up so they can fill up their pages and their airwaves.</p>

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<p>What a bunch of bunk and shameless interpretation of her remarks. Some would call it being a supportive wife. What’s the big deal. They all say something like that. Um, has Bill been supportive of his wife, lately?? </p>

<p>Interesting, what he call’s Obama’s "worst moment of the campaign "barely registered with Pennsylvania voters when asked the reason why they chose Hlllary. Of course the fact that Hillary has roots in the state and the support of most of the politicians with great political connections that go way back to Bill’s presidency has nothing to do with her win. nah.</p>

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<p>I agree with A.S.A.P.</p>

<p>The majority of voters aren’t paying attention. I’m not. Once in a while I check in but I find the coverage deplorable.</p>

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<p>*They all say something like that. Um, has Bill been supportive of his wife, lately?? *</p>

<p>I would categorize it more as " Bill is passively aggressive in his " support" of his wife’s campaign.</p>

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<p>I don’t think the Democrats have much to fear. McCain is the weakest of the possible Republican candidates. He is busy apologizing for anything remotely negative said by other Republicans. He is definately Mr. Nice Guy but he has forgotten that Nice Guys finish last.</p>

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<p>Well, if McCain can’t control the swift boaters in his own party speaking on his behalf, how can he possibly expect to control our enemies?</p>

<p>He’s either weak or complicit. Take your pick. Pesonally, I think they provide the perfect cover-they can say all the slimy underhanded stuff, true or not, and he can sit back and take the high road.</p>

<p>And “Mr. Nice Guy” he is not.</p>

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<p>Haha @ the notion that McCain is the weakest republican candidate. The way things are in this country no hardline republican could win in November, just can’t be done. Luckily for me McCain, more moderate than either Clinton or Obama, gets to be the man who the democrats give this election to. 52% of Clinton voters in PA said they’d vote for McCain or not vote at all if Obama is the nominee. I don’t think it’s going to be anywhere near that, but 5-10%, in a battleground state like PA (must win for dems) is going to kill him.</p>

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<p>Moderation is in the eye of the beholder. And when it comes to foreign policy, McCain is a hardline as any Republican. </p>

<p>It looks like McCain my not have to “Bomb, bomb, Iran.”<br>
Bush still has 8 months left as Commander-in -Chief.</p>

<p>[Joint</a> Chiefs Chairman Says U.S. Preparing Military Options Against Iran - washingtonpost.com](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/25/ST2008042502033.html?sid=ST2008042502033]Joint”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/25/ST2008042502033.html?sid=ST2008042502033)</p>

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<p>Emerald on Jay Leno last night he played a clip of Bill Clinton mouthing off at a reporter. Leno used it with his own clip interjected. </p>

<p>My point is, I was thinking the same thing as you said in #5 . Passive agressively ‘supporting’ his wife’s campaign. A seasoned politician I would think would know better than to do the things he has done in the past few weeks and months. i.e. the South Carolina comment, the open mike expletive on Monday and then this incident which happened on Tuesday. Either he is passive aggressiveness or maybe he isn’t sharp anymore. He doesn’t seem to have the self control necessary to deal with the stress and strain of a campaign anymore.</p>

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<p>Being a democrat, I see many supporter of Obama making fun of Mrs. Clinton. Pardon me for being politically incorrect, the way I see are many URM (or even white who are very vocal supporter) who are well educated represent the demography claimed by media that support Obama. They have access to computers. But there are majority of URM who have no access to computers. We do not know how bitter they are with Clintons. Similarly, Mrs. Clinton’s supporters are blue-collar worker, and older generation and have very limited access to computer. We really do not know how much they are bitter with Obama. </p>

<p>All three candidates are not pristine. They are politicians who want to win. The three candidates will not be prefect candidates in any way to everyone. </p>

<p>Democrat needs URM and white old voters in order to win the general election. Then why many Obama supporter shows animosity towards Mrs. Clinton. Similarly same thing is done by Mrs Clinton Supporters who are few in numbers on cc. I do not think any one of the two democrats is going to win the general election without the support of the both core group support. Unless both candiadte are bent to damage the other candidate so they have a chance to win the election in 2012. Then democrat needs to really worry as we are giving Republican victory in silver platter.</p>

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<p>This kind of behavior only reinforces my fear that, if Hillary is elected, he will see it as his 3rd term. If they can’t get him under control now, how are they going to do it when he doesn’t have to worry about offending potential voters?</p>

<p>And speaking of control… I think McCain’s in trouble with this latest NC ordeal. I suspect people will question his ability to run the country if he can’t influence members of his own party as their nominee.</p>

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<p>This election is in the eye of the beholder…that’s what an election is. Fortunately polls show McCain is seen as more moderate than Obama and Clinton.</p>