<p>No, pmrlcomm, I have to disagree with you there. Bill Clinton was far from perfect, I’ll be the first to admit that. But Bush, I believe, will go down in history as one of the worst of the worst. We lived through eight years of economic prosperity with Clinton, without launching a single war. (Yes, mini, I know and respect your thoughts on Clinton’s child-murdering ways.) Clinton had a disgusting fling with an intern and was impeached. Bush is a war criminal and wasn’t impeached. Pitiful.</p>
<p>I think history will judge it differently. Clinton did absolutely nothing during 8 years…besides get his rocks off. He rode the economic wave headed his way…at least he was smart enough not to mess with it. Unfortunately I don’t think we’ll ever know.</p>
<p>You’re right … we may never know. … You know what’s ironic? My sister, who is even more liberal than I am, detested Clinton because she thought he was “Republican light.” I never quite got that. Guess I don’t have enough "book-learnin’.)</p>
<p>“But Bush, I believe, will go down in history as one of the worst of the worst. We lived through eight years of economic prosperity with Clinton, without launching a single war.”</p>
<p>Really? I always thought that when you start bombing countries around the world that that may constitute an act of war. Perhaps the Chinese in their embassy that was bombed should have just realized that it was just a fireworks show gone bad.</p>
<p>"I hold Bush personally responsible for everything, from Noah’s flood to Iraq. I’m sure he probably can also take credit for your son’s B. "</p>
<p>Hindoo, I realize this statement has sarcasm involved… right?
but it is this mentality that continues to influence the uninformed voters in our country. The President just doesn’t have that level of influence on everything that is wrong with our country. Any high school student knows that, it’s called Social Studies Class.</p>
<p>Mr Payne, have you read LBJ’s autobiography? He describes in detail about how he knew the US had no way to win the Viet Nam War, and yet he kept sending troops. He expresses enormous remorse about his actions.</p>
<p>This is what you are making your Presidential decision upon?</p>
<p>You need to review your history. At least LBJ acknowledged he was a terrible President who knowingly murdered needlessly. </p>
<p>When do you think the others will?</p>
<p>fundingfather–Bill Clinton is no saint and I never called him one; he did any number of things this country should feel bad about. But nothing remotely like the ungodly disaster that has been the Bush presidency. I don’t hear many Republicans, even the most conservative of them, making excuses for this pathetic, shameful excuse for a president. If you want to apologize for him and make him out to be the Great Leader, go ahead and try. Nothing you can say will make me believe that the Bush presidency has been anything other than the biggest, most disastrous, evil train-wreck since … nobody. As anyone who’s been paying attention here knows, I don’t feel anything like this toward McCain, who I disagree with on his stay-the-course-until-we-win-an-unwinnable-war strategy, but basically think is a good man. Bush has been a national and international nightmare, a complete and utter shame to our country, and I know plenty of good, conservative Republicans who agree with me.</p>
<p>Yes, RatedPG–there was sarcasm involved in that post. And you’re correct in saying that the President can’t take blame for everything that’s wrong with the country. But the President is a figurehead, who represents America to the rest of the world. George Bush has shamed us.</p>
<p>Obama…although I live in a solidly blue state so my vote will have limited effect. I would vote for McCain, but see, I have this problem…I’m actually intelligent.</p>
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And? He was a horrible president.</p>
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I gave my criteria.</p>
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I don’t care about murdering needlessly, that’s not part of my criteria. I care about his legacy of expanding the federal government. With cumulative costs that are impressively large.</p>
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Don’t know and don’t care.</p>
<p>DHRBC07, and can you intelligently explain to me why you are voting for Obama? Other than you hate Bush? Or are ready for “change”?</p>
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<p>So DHRBC07, are you implying that those who would vote for McCain are NOT intelligent??</p>
<p>Or are you just trying to be funny?</p>
<h1>70 after reading Payne’s response above, how can you even ask? Or are you a member or the amoral and hater of humanity also?</h1>
<p>Of course DHR…is intelliegent if he is serious. The rest sound like you have’t graduated kindergarten.</p>
<p>sevenhills ??? What?</p>
<p>Um … excuse me?</p>
<p>President of United States…</p>
<p>The board of trustees wouldn’t hire a person for CEO position without a ridiculously awesome business experience, prior leadership in high pressure cooker environment, and proven leadership and potential.</p>
<p>You need a resume filled with experience, Much Much Much Much more than just being able to talk to what the people want to hear. So far as to implement what he says, thats different. Much more harder if you don’t have proven leadership experience.</p>
<p>Simple put, Obama isn’t going to bring radical change that people expect him to bring. His views does not substanially deviate from the mainstream political genre.</p>
<p>Let’s see what sort of experience James Buchanan (1791-1868), the 15th President (1856-1860), had:</p>
<p>PA House of Reps 1814-1816
US House of Reps 1821-1831
-Chairman of the House Committee on the Judiciary
Ambassador to Russia 1832-1834
US Senate 1834-1845
-Chairman of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Nominated for US Supreme Court 1844, but refused to serve
Secretary of State under Polk, 1845-1849
-Negotiated the Oregon Treaty
Ambassador to Britain 1852-1854</p>
<p>Buchanan’s clearly got an impressive resume, consisting of four decades’ worth of experience in various positions in government. Apparently, he definitely looked more than qualified for the position; as a voter in 1856, would you be compelled to argue otherwise? However, the fact that he did nothing as the Union disintegrated on his watch tells me that it didn’t do him and the nation much good. All of you supporting McCain based on his experience - please tell me just what good his experience will do us? </p>
<p>Perhaps, when it comes to actually taking that seat in the Oval Office, the supposedly timeless gift of experience isn’t quite as important as proper judgment.</p>
<p>There is no relevance between now and 150 years ago…</p>
<p>I am thoroughly and firmly convinced that it really doesn’t matter what anyone did. No one really cares. People are going to justify their candidate NO MATTER what. Once you are set as to who you want, there is no convincing argument that will change ones mind. So why bother? It won’t change a thing…</p>
<p>I agree. It’s still fun.</p>
<p>I don’t believe that Obama will change everything about America. Absolute power, etc…I do believe that he’ll be a much better president though. And his key points are a lot more “now” than McCains.</p>
<p>Plus as a person, McCain is a ■■■■■■■■■. That recording of him calling his wife a c**t left a baaaad taste in my mouth.</p>
<p>That said, I do fear what could happen to Obama if he was elected. There are a lot of hardcore rednecks and racists out there that would not mind going to jail/dying to prevent a black president unfortunately. I don’t see him as being ‘safe’ until he’s in the white house with presidential security. :(</p>