<p>Oh. Good. Grief!</p>
<p>This whole story is oddly fascinating. So many interesting topics intertwined in this woman’s story.</p>
<p>Don’t worry Bunsen, a good slice of the pro-life community has real problems with IVF, too. They consider that to be playing God to some extent as well, and if you don’t make embryos in a petri dish in the beginning, then you don’t have to deal with the sticky problem of what to do with the extras.</p>
<p>Oprah has said over and over that she does not pay guests to appear on her show. If this woman is as mercenary as she seems, she’ll not agree to talk to anyone for free. I wonder if Diane and CBS has agreed to proffer the big bucks…:rolleyes:</p>
<p>I hope her “people” don’t get any bites. Just like the OJ simpson book deal. I was listening to CNN yesterday and they were talking about the posts on their website regarding this story. They said 99% were negative against the mother, with those numbers I can’t see her getting a lot of money. Maybe OK magazine oor the Star will pay for it, but not mainstream. I am sure when she fails to get the bucks she will sue the doctor that implanted the embryos and that is where she will get the big bucks. Wouldn’t shock me if we hear in the news today or tomorrow that the doctor is Dr XXX and she has placed a malpractice lawsuit against him for 5 million.</p>
<p>She needs the 2 million to raise these kids or so that is her reason. Guess what? SHe chose to have these kids for that 1 more daughter. I chose to have mine…Can I now get a publicist to ask people to help pay for them?</p>
<p>I also read about the accident yesterday and wondered is that how she paid for the IVF, and they now are saying she did get a financial settlement and that is what she did.</p>
<p>The only person I give any credit to is the grandmother for saying I am just as disappointed in her decision as the public. I bet grandma and her are not on speaking terms and I think they probably weren’t for months either if grandma is saying the things she is publicly so quickly after the birth.</p>
<p>I haven’t read all through so someone may have mentioned, but is it a crazy thought to question the fact that she and/or the presumed donor once worked at a <em>fertility lab</em>? I wonder if it’s possible that no doctor was ever involved. I just cannot imagine any doctor doing something like this. </p>
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<p>Obviously the media is interested in this story. Just be looking at the comments ( and views ) of this thread, there is a public fascination about this bizarre woman and her freaky way of collecting children.
I sincerely hope that she does not profit from her sickness and obsession. As long as there is an audience, and I am guilty of the next person , there is a good chance that $$$ will flow her way.
I hope that the children, maybe even the 6 she already has are placed in a more stable home environment</p>
<p>Yes, people are interested, but I can guarantee everyone that if she is interviewed on 20/20 and got pd for it, b/c of my morale stance on this I would never watch it. Nor will I buy any magazine that pays for any pics.</p>
<p>We are all discussing it, but that doesn’t mean I am going to send a donation to her or support her selling out these kids. </p>
<p>I think she really just doesn’t get the morale temperature of the country…people are no longer thinking of her as somebody who tried and tried to conceive, insteadthey are now wondering if she did this to get the bucks. I know I am. The woman has not worked in yrs, she received an insurance pay out for an injury, and instead of paying her mtg/rent she was evicted/foreclosed and took the rest of her savings from the injury to do IVF.</p>
<p>Let’s see pay my mtg/rent and put a roof over my 6 children or move in with mom and get IVF? I know what I would be doing, and living with Mom in a 1500 sqft. 3bdrm home with 6 kids under 6 would not be the option I would chose. Her lack of maturity and being a responsible parent is pretty evident. I will not in anyway support her prostituting these babies. That is what it is she is selling out these kids. </p>
<p>WHo believes it is going to end if she gets the money…who believes every yr she will be selling these kids out as her means to make money…Octuplets turn 1, Octuplets go to pre-school, Octuplets at 5, etc. etc. etc. I bet on the latter…and I am not so sure that if she gets the money she wouldn’t go off to do it again. Mom of 14 has quads is a headline I can see in the future.</p>
<p>I agree with you b&p…I won’t pay for anything to get information. I cringe at the thought of Good Housekeeping or People magazines having story after story about this woman and her litters.
The sympathy for her doesn’t seem to high, but I really feel for ALL of her children , as well as her parents</p>
<p>I think that is the crux of the issue and what she doesn’t get. Public sympathy lies with the 14 children and not her. As this story continues to stay in the media news cycle it is turning more and more against her. She is creating the intrique by selling out her story for $$$. Everybody knows it will cost a fortune and I think if she had given interviews immediatley following the birth, she would have had out pourings of donations. By withholding the info, the media is snooping and her decisions and actions make her look like an idiot. Thus, people now are hoping that these kids will get the opportunity for DYFS to step in.</p>
<p>Our youngest son has a mild form of Aspergers, it is hard to diagnose, but it is classified as a highly functioning form of Autism. If you know nothing about Aspergers, many people call it social ADD. You physically get exhausted as a parent of a young child, they take everything literally (when you say the moon is made out of cheese they believe it), they don’t understand personal space. Forget organizational skills or fine motor skills because they need to be constantly taught over and over again. This is nowhere near autism. What parent in their right mind with the oldest having autism decides to bring in another baby just for its sex? The injustice to that child is criminal. She should have spent that insurance money on helping the child that is already struggling in this world.</p>
<p>She wanted another daughter and got it. I am more than willing to adopt her autistic son than give her 1 penny. At least I get that he needs special attention, and I don’t care what sex he is.</p>
<p>It is not clear to me what could possibly be a good outcome in this case. The Dionne quints, whose care was co-opted by the state, are a tragic story. Personally I think it is abusive to split up multiples – even higher multiples. You can’t force the mother to allow an adoption (can you??) and any foster care situation, even if one could be found, will probably still result in a media spectacle and/or the need for state financial support. We don’t want her to profit from her irresponsibility but we don’t want our taxes to go for the care of the 14 children. I prefer children never to the subject of reality shows since they will be living with the long term consequences of this invasion of privacy, but unless the family has more financial resources than it seems, support for this family has to come from some place. Would you rather your taxes paid or the National Enquirer?</p>
<p>I would rather my taxes. The woman got an insurance pay out for an injury and instead of putting a roof over her family’s head, she opted to add more kids.</p>
<p>The enquirer paying for it doesn’t mean she is not going to do it again. My tax dollars will stop her from doing it again. Look at many lottery millionaires, they are broke within a few yrs…why…because they spend it and not save. Give her the $$$ and who knows, she could go to Mexico and pay for it there, come back pregnant with more multiples and sell out the story all over again.</p>
<p>It is kind of like the child who has a temper tantrum…do you give in or ignore it? Give in and they continue to do it over and over again…ignore and they will realize that their behavior will not be supported, acknowledge or gain any benefits.</p>
<p>Interesting about the father of the octs. I wonder if he is going to be liable for child support as they are his kids.</p>
<p>The father of the octs is also the father of the other 6, they all came from the same sperm donor. I am sure he doesn’t even knew he is their father. The ex was never biologically the father for any of them.</p>
<p>The grandmother even said she has to be done now because she used all of the frozen embryos. I am interested in knowing how many she had implanted…it is possible that she had only 3 and they naturally became trips and twins. Nobody has said if there are any identicals in the 8. Than again I don’t know if it is too early for them to know, since they are so tiny.</p>
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<p>Fascinating question. Assuming someone agrees to provide donor sperm for his partner’s IVF, is there a legal limit on how many children he should be required to support if that partner continues IVF procedures without his consent?</p>
<p>I don’t have the answer, but I do recall a woman sueing her ex husband for child support when she decided to do IVF while they were seperated. The marriage fell apart because of her desire to have kids. She eventually lost b/c the court sided that he was never the father of the girl.</p>
<p>It’s kind of like the people who go on American Idol because they are enamored of the spotlight and have overly high opinions of their talent. Those are the truly embarrassing ones to watch, like William Hung. It seems like she did this for attention and contemplating the financial reward she would reap and greatly overestimated the appeal. If you think of all the other parents of multiples, they spoke to the press quite soon and seemed overwhelmed by it all. It was only later (maybe only a few days, but later) when offers of help came pouring in that they got organized. This mother seems to have had an agent from day 1. The only thing that might save her now is if the doctors can attest to the fact that she had only 3 embryos implanted (still troubling with the 6 kids she already has, but not outrageous) and they split, but that would mean that the 8 have to come out as 3 sets of identicals in some configuration. I imagine they could determine that relatively quickly with genetic testing.</p>
<p>The biological father of the octoplets did know about the previous kids. This wasn’t an anonymous donation - they were friends. I read he asked her not to have any more of the frozen embryos implanted since he was about to be married.</p>
<p>Another sign of her selfishness…everybody else be darned, I want it.</p>
<p>Mom/Grandmom…I am moving in with my 6 kids, b/c hubby and I are divorcing
Landlord/Mtg company…I need to keep my money for more IVF so I am not going to pay and go into default
Kids…It might be cramped, but I want you to share me more
Autistic son…sorry I can’t pay for private assistance because I am paying to have IVF…sorry that you might not be able to adjust emotionally, I want more kids.
Sons…You don’t really matter I want another daughter
Donor/Friend…It doesn’t matter what you say, you gave me the sperm and I can do anything with it…I matter more</p>
<p>Sick…sick…sick woman</p>
<p>Based on what’s been reported it seems the octopulets are the result of “left-over” embryos from the original procedure. IMHO this woman was an unbelievably successful IVF patient. Any doctors here have opinions? But that success left her with very difficult choices: donate embryos that are one’s biological children, destroy embryos, or selectively terminate a multiple pregnancy. What would you have done?</p>