<p>Donate with the understanding that I am informed of who recceives them. I would want no contact, but I wouldn’t want my kid marrying their sibling either. If I would not be able to do that than I would destroy. I am Catholic and that is hard to say, but I would destroy before I did selective reduction.</p>
<p>I don’t think that she ever said well, I have these left over embryos so I might as well use them. Her parents both said she wanted one more child, a daughter to be specific. SHe didn’t get pregnant to be a mom again, she got pregnant to have a GIRL</p>
<p>Whatever money this woman is afforded needs to be put in a trust for these kids and monitored very carefully. She should absolutely have NO access to the money at free will!</p>
<p>There are at least three other options:
-donate embryos for research (this is the one done by the majority of people I know)
-Keep them in storage
-I just read of a couple that took their embryos out of storage, took them home and buried them in their garden.</p>
<p>"Miss Suleman turned down a marriage proposal and refused the offer of commitment from the father of her first six children, Angela Suleman said.
“She just wanted to do whatever she is doing by herself,” Mrs Suleman told Us Weekly magazine.
“She did have boyfriends. She did have someone who really wanted to get married. She was married for a while but it didn’t work out. I don’t know why it didn’t work out maybe she knew it wouldn’t last.”
Her ill-fated marriage was to someone other than David Soloman, who fathered six of Miss Suleman’s 14 children.
“She was not married to David,” Mrs Suleman said. “That was her problem. He would have wanted to marry her. She is actually a beautiful woman. I don’t know what went wrong.”
Her father, Edward, had worked as a linguist in Iraq “so he could help her out [financially] because she refused to get married”, the retired teacher added…</p>
<p>I am not defending this woman, but us quoting secondary sources about her, as if it’s fact, is pretty pointless. Every hearsay comment by mother/friend/neighbor needs to be taken with a grain of salt (I assure you, as but one example, my own mother would be quite inaccurate in describing many of my motives!). </p>
<p>The truth will come out, and while I doubt the real facts will change our general negative impression, I also find that most gossip is pretty darn inaccurate. </p>
<p>I’m as guilty as the next on here for wallowing in the joy of speculation and harsh judgment of this woman. But I think this thread has really sunk in parts to the level of a Jerry Springer episode. We may not be the weirdo guest on the show, but we are looking very much like his audience.</p>
<p>"
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Where is the lifetime supply of diapers, formula and baby wipes? The free van? The brand-new house?</p>
<p>Women who give birth to six, seven or eight babies are often showered with dazzling gifts from big corporations, local businesses and strangers. But that is not happening with the Southern California mother who delivered octuplets last week.</p>
<p>The news that she is a single mother with six other children — and that all 14 were conceived by having embryos implanted — seems to have turned off many people, and companies are not exactly rushing to get publicity by piling on the freebies…</p>
<p>A veteran Hollywood publicist said Suleman’s handlers have their work cut out for them in trying to win public sympathy for her.</p>
<p>“I think it’s a calamity,” said publicist David Brokaw, who has handled crises for celebrities. “I don’t see, the way this is shaped, how you can say much about it in terms of something favorable.”…</p>
<p>Gerber spokesman David Mortazavi said that if the baby-food maker was planning to do something for the family, it probably would have done it already, and that the octuplets’ birth was not on Gerber’s radar…</p>
<p>TLC President Eileen O’Neill said production companies that work with TLC have already made offers to Suleman’s family, but the network is waiting to see how TV-friendly the family is.
“We’re certainly like the rest of America; we’re waiting to see how this develops,” O’Neill said. “The number of children or scale of the multiples is intriguing, but it also comes down to what are the family’s lives like?”</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see what she names them.</p>
<p>This whole episode has echoes of Bristol Palin selling her baby pictures to People for $300K, to me. This one isn’t getting 8 x $300K, so maybe there’s a group discount.</p>
<p>Well grandma gave an interview to People, in the end the woman said I have baby sat for these children (the first 6)since they were born and I just need a rest. SHe talks about how they were opposed to her doing this.</p>
<p>If TLC buys or announces an intention to buy a show from her…I will send in an email and tell them I think it is repulsive…they are giving her exactly what she wants…attention. If they want to give her money do it, but don’t expect me to support their network.</p>
<p>Her name is " Nadya Suleman," and apparently, she is an American citizen of Iraqi descent. Since one article indicated that she’s considering Biblical names for her children, I’m assuming she’s Chaldean, a group that are Christians from Iraq.</p>
<p>Even if she weren’t a single mother of 6 who had deliberately gotten pregnant again through having embryos implanted, her ethnicity and the fact that she’s either an immigrant or the offspring of an immigrant would be working against her getting donations and sponsorship since there is such a backlash against Arabs and immigrants now.</p>
<p>Add to this the economy, and I would be surprised if she gets much help with her kids.</p>
<p>I agree, ethnicity has no effect on my opinion. I think if she elected to do this than she is responsible for her actions, to ask for money to help is disgusting. I could understand the multiple issue and not doing selective reduction if this was your 1st pregnancy, but not when you have 6 at home under 7, and2 of them are twins…which to me means she knew she had a history of multiple births.</p>
<p>I am sure every place her agent is shopping the story around to has taken media research and found that overwhelmingly people are viewing her in a negative light. These companies, magazines, networks are all in it to also make money. If they feel that they will get negative views because of buying her story they won’t buy it.</p>
<p>I am sure people paid her mother for the interview, but for the grandmother I don’t begrudge her getting money. She needs it to move out of her own home that the daughter has overtaken with 14 kids. I also think people have a more positive light about the grandmother than the mother. Grandmom has stated we were against this, and has been supportive of her daughter financially, enmotionally and physically until this.</p>
<p>In the end she will get the bucks from malpractice against the doc. I heard yesterday that when they do IVF they typically do a pysch eval. SHe obviously had/has psychiatric issues and should have been flagged. SHe will claim the doc failed to catch this and because of that she had to endure this pregnancy and will have long medical issues for the kids. If I were on the jury it would be hard for me not to place some blame on the doc. However, I would only want the award to go into a trust for medical bills for the children. The doc will not want it to go trial for his own sake and will settle out of court.</p>
<p>bulletandpima, I agree with you about the grandmother. I see the grandparents as a victim in all of this. They did not make these decisions, but they wanted to help their daughter and their grandchildren. </p>
<p>I heard an outcry by a newsreporter stating that CA should be investigating the clinic where this took place and the doctor who implanted all of these embryos. This is not standard practice.</p>
<p>I would like to know more info about the grandmother including how old she is and what her health is like in general. It seems that she chose to have only one child, so I can’t imagine that her idea of a joy filled middle age or old age included taking care of 6 grandchildren under age 8 (including one autistic child) while their mom pregnant with octuplets was hospitalized for a couple of months.</p>
<p>I can’t imagine taking on what that grandmom took on. I don’t know how she has done it.</p>
<p>I agree with everyone who believes the grandmom is well deserving of financial and other support.</p>
<p>I heard on the news that the CDC actually has guidelines about implantation. However, we all know that guidelines doesn’t always translate into breaking the law.</p>
<p>I really can’t understand why the doc did it. I am sure the Med board knows exactly who the doc is. I would think/assume that they are investigating how and why this occurred right now. </p>
<p>Two organizations that have been not heard from yet, but I suspect they will speak out soon is DYFS and the Medical Board. The media is going to start turning their eye on both of them. The story will change from her to how did this happen. The other story will be will DYFS be doing home inspections regarding her living situation. 15 people in a 1500 sqft home is a difficult situation.</p>
<p>I read/heard that the grandmother filed bankruptcy if she did and no longer owns the home, typically housing regs state X amt of people per bdrm, this means the daughter could be homeless very soon</p>
<p>NSM, I know that my DH and I could not do this either. We could help, but we could not take care of 6 young children 24/7 for months at a time. No way! I know that my own mother, and my inlaws had hard time watching my two (or even one child) children for a few hours. They did it on occasion, but were very happy to hand them back to us after an evening or an afternoon. My mother watched my older son once when he was a baby for a few days while DH and I were out of town. I felt that asking her to do that was a very tall order, and I am most appreciative that she took on that responsibility. I know that the responsibility of other people’s children in your care (even your own grandkids) is huge! I cannot imagine asking grandparents to take on 6 kids for several months!!!</p>
<p>B&P, I think that taxpayers in CA want answers as to how this happened. They will probably be paying for some of these bills. Also, since this is a national story, the pressure is on to investigate.</p>
<p>Here’s the difference between us and her. We are responsible parents. We look at how everything effects out entire family. I had a friend who while she was pregnant she knew the child was hydrocephalic and would die within hours of the birth. She found this out in her first trimester. She elected to go full term due to religious reasons. It was incredibly hard on her, her marriage and her children, they were 5 and 2. The kids knew Mommy was pregnant with their sister and that the baby would never come home. The oldest had many behavioral issues for that time and the following yr. It all stemmed from why Mommy was doing this to her. Mommy couldn’t play because she was tired, Mommy couldn’t lift her up because of the baby, Mommy was always crying about the baby, Mommy busy making a scrapbook for the baby that would never come home. This little girl through counseling turned out fine, but the pressure of her behavior at school and at home was creating even more problems. Children at this young of an age can’t compute like an adult. BTW her and her husband seperated shortly after the birth of the baby. They both acknowledge that the stress of the situation ruined their marriage. He wanted to terminate, and resentment built during the pregnancy that they could never get over.</p>
<p>I can only imagine how her 6 children at home felt while she was pregnant…Mommy wasn’t Mommy…grandmom was. now that she will eventually bring home 8 newborns the 6 that are already there will no longer have grandmom and their mommy willl be too busy to do anything with them. It was just selfish of her, no if and or buts.</p>
<p>It would be ironical that she had all of these kids because of her only child syndrome to see if they all grow up and only have 1 child because of her doing this. I would also love to fast foward to see how she will act as a grandmother, will she basically raise her 1st 6 grandkids or will she say I am too old, I raised you kids, now its my time.</p>
<p>I also just googled California housing code…they state for WHittier it is 2 people per bedroom for rentals with a max of 10 people. Nothing about if you own your own home. I am sure the city is looking into the tax records now to see if there is a code violation. I would be looking into it I worked in the city department, just to see. If California is like VA, any realtor can check tax records by name and address…if neither grandmom, grandpop or her name shows up then they are renters</p>
<p>Just on Fox was the publicist for her. 2 interesting key bits.<br>
She is claiming she only meant to have 1, the publicist diverted from the question of if she implanted 8 embryos, instead she said her client would answer that and that she was not an IVF specialist…translation to me…yes, she did.
Asked if she was implanted in LA or at least in the US. She was implanted in the US…translation to me…she actually had to travel some distance to get this done, or at least find a doctor who would agree to do it.</p>