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<p>Not really. Up in here in Canada, no one gets the gov’t to pay for their fertility treatment. It’s not a medical necessity so you have to pay out of pocket, just like other issues that involve medical help and are not a medical necessity (e.g. plastic surgery). I’ve never ever heard of someone complain about these things, ever. </p>
<p>There is much to debate about getting healthcare coverage for everyone in the US. It is terribly needed. But these issues are small potatos.</p>
<p>Clearly this woman had proven that she did not have infertility problems, therefore, I would say it would be pretty easy to deny her infertility treatments.</p>
<p>I wonder if she has mental problems, sort of a version of Munchhausen syndrome.</p>
<p>I understand the questioning of the woman. But to the people complaining that we may have to pay for services for her 14 children? Come on now. First of all, consider that it’s more likely we won’t have to pay for her or her family’s retirement care. Second of all, consider the financial benefits that any one of the 14 may contribute to the economy.
Don’t be so quick to write off the lives of these 14. They have every ability to get into HYPS or cure cancer (btw, while some CCs may object, those two accomplishments aren’t on the same level).</p>
<p>We likely won’t pay for them because the money just won’t be there!</p>
<p>The media needs to back off–while it is interesting and unusual, don’t think the coverage is necessary. Too much attention is being paid to this family…</p>
<p>Fendrock: I wonder if she has mental problems, sort of a version of Munchhausen syndrome.</p>
<p>I wonder this about that Mrs. Duggar person as well, the one with the 14+ kids. I wonder if she’d someone who only feels really happy when she’s pregnant, getting all that attention. Will she fight menopause in order to keep having babies? It’s medically possible now to have a kid until you’re about 60.</p>
<p>This just smells strange.
I have a feeling that we are going to find out many more “strange” things about this family in the months to come.</p>
<p>Aside though, can you imagine her tummy now? Had 8 right now but already went through five pregnancies before? Yayks!</p>
<p>Northstarmom its just the first thing that came to my mind while reading this. If I was currently parenting a baby, I would have thought, She’ll be changing diapers for that crew the rest of her live. Or if my girls were young teenagers, I would shudder and think she will never get out of the house of hormones… Just the way I related to the story.</p>
<p>Novelisto, I had the same thoughts. It is very likely that either the woman or her mother (or both!) have some mental issues.</p>
<p>Here is an article that says bluntly: humans are not cats.</p>
<p>[8</a> Is Enough: The Limits to Human Reproduction - Yahoo! News](<a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090130/sc_livescience/8isenoughthelimitstohumanreproduction]8”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090130/sc_livescience/8isenoughthelimitstohumanreproduction)</p>
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<p>I disagree with the last statement - somehow I have a feeling that this woman will stop at 14.</p>
<p>Kelowna - I was thinking the same thing. The only episode of J&K +8 I watched was the one where Kate got her tummy tuck, which was donated by the way by the plastic surgeon and his wife. I wonder if this mom thinks she will get hers done for free…</p>
<p>Sounds like some of y’all are just downright jealous of these large families. They are becoming millionaires with their TV programs and stimulating the economy with more future taxpayers. Call 'em Munchausens mothers if you want–I think they’re brilliant.</p>
<p>" Second of all, consider the financial benefits that any one of the 14 may contribute to the economy."</p>
<p>Doubtful. They are more likely to be a drain. Just the neonatal intensive care costs a lot as did the mother’s medical care. Almost 21 years ago, when younger S was born at 28 weeks gestation, his medical care cost our insurance $93,000. He later had occupational therapy (that we paid for out of pocket), and he had two rounds of speech therapy.</p>
<p>We had excellent insurance, and we were educated professionals with the knowledge and means to get the best of care for him. </p>
<p>One of our S’s doctors said that the main factor (probably other than gestational age) predicting the health outcome for preemies is socioeconomic status. Unless the octuplets’ mom is rich, I doubt their outcome will be very good.</p>
<p>“That family will surely have help beyond the mother and father, and they will all probably have a great time, but chances are it will be a very long time before that mother reproduces again.”</p>
<p>I doubt that the family will get that much help, and I doubt that they will have a great time. I wouldn’t be surprise to see the mom have more children. She doesn’t seem to be thinking clearly.</p>
<p>Im REALLY looking forward to “Momof14” 's posts in sixteen years. --reason enough to hang out here on CC a little longer</p>
<p>Check out this story:</p>
<p>"Just a few days after an unnamed woman in Southern California gave birth to octuplets, Mandy Allwood remembers what it was like to give birth to eight babies.</p>
<p>In fact, Allwood, of Warwick, England, who gave birth to octuplets on Sept. 30, 1996, thinks of her babies every single day.</p>
<p>Within three days, all eight of the octuplets had died, the Daily Mail reported.</p>
<p>Click here to read Dr. Manny’s blog on the dangers of giving birth to eight babies.</p>
<p>Allwood’s octuplets were just like the ones in California – six boys and two girls - which made her feel all the more emotional when she learned of their birth Tuesday morning from a friend.</p>
<p>“I hadn’t even the vaguest inkling there was someone out there pregnant with octuplets, so I struggled to take it in at first,” she told the Mail. “But when it did sink it, all those memories flooded back. . . . Of course I’m thrilled for this lady, but it makes me feel like such a failure myself.”</p>
<p>Allwood said she was unmarried at the time she conceived the babies and describes her relationship with the octuplet’s father as “destructive.” Her ovaries were polycystic, which can cause infertility, so she chose to use fertility drugs…"
[FOXNews.com</a> - Mother Who Lost Octuplets Still Feels Pain - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News](<a href=“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484945,00.html]FOXNews.com”>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484945,00.html)</p>
<p>“m REALLY looking forward to “Momof14” 's posts in sixteen years. --reason enough to hang out here on CC a little longer”</p>
<p>I doubt that she’ll be posting here. I fear that she will not end up raising her 14 kids due to stress and other types of emotional problems.</p>
<p>Bioethicists will be talking about this case for some time, as they already are.</p>
<p>I’m wondering where they came up with the cash for the IVF since that costs $30k+ per session. A recent radio story suggests the mother might have worked for an IVF clinic.</p>
<p>^^Deep employee discount or theft of services?</p>
<p>My guess is that she either had IVF in Mexico, or she took the drugs to hyperstimulate the ovaries with meds procured without a licensed physician supervising. You can take gonadotropins, ovulate 10-20 eggs and if there are sperm present you don’t need IVF actually to have this many. If she conceived with help from US licensed physicians, my next bet is that she lied and they did not know she had 6 kids already. Remember one of the first 60+ year olds in Italy to get pregnant with donor eggs? She lied about her age and told them she was 50. In the US, more higher order multiples are born from drug stimulated non IVF cycles than from IVF. With IVF you can control the number of embryos transferred. You can freeze the rest for future cycles. With stimulation of the ovaries and no IVF (either good old-fashioned sex or insemination with partner or donor sperm) you cannot control the number of eggs released or the number that implant. Higher multiples iln the last few years have been non IVF drug stimulated cycles actually. I thnik the 7 kids that Good Housekeeping profiles each year were fertility drugs but non IVF. You need IVF for blocked tubes, unexplained fertility, certain sperm issues. You can overstimulate the ovaries and if there are sperm and open tubes, you don’t need in vitro fertilization with embryo transfer.</p>
<p>We need more data to know how this happened,</p>
<p>This story really does boggle the mind. </p>
<p>A friend of friend has prior contact with this family. The unsubstantiated word of mouth is that at least two of the first six children are autistic and the mom does have some mental problems. She may have used money from some sort of educational loan or grant to obtain the treatments. There is no husband in the picture. It’s such a bizarre story. Thank heavens for these grandparents. Without them, it sounds like the kids would end up in foster care (or institutions.)</p>
<p>I doubt if the grandmom (who’ll be the only grandparent at home once the granddad goes to the war zone to be a contractor) will be able to take care of 14 young children with only the mom’s help.</p>
<p>The more I hear about this, the more I wonder about how the woman managed to get implanted with embryos.</p>
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<p>How many grandkids does it take to kill the grandparents? Seriously, my grandma was the fairly unwilling day care for some of her grandkids…and she worked nights…she died of a stroke at 62.</p>