<p>Again, you can get your hands on gonadotrpin hormones, you can overstimulate the ovaries with these drugs, you can ovulate multiple eggs, and with sex or a turkey baster and donor sperm, you can do this yourself without physician supervision. This stuff happens. And if she was mentally ill, she could have done with with black market/grey market drugs and recipes from the internet on how to give yourself the drugs. Especially if she worked at a clinic and had easier access.
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<p>An AP press release says
“It’s not clear if the octuplets’ mother had embryos implanted. Another option is egg stimulation through fertility drugs, which provides less control. The doctor is supposed to use blood tests and ultrasound to monitor how many egg follicles develop. If too many do, the doctor is supposed to stop the drugs.”</p>
<p>But patients can get the drugs, and administer them without monitoring. Doctors can tell patients to abandon the cycle when an U/S shows too many follicles, and patients can go home and continue anyway, have sex or use the turkey baster, and suddenely there are 8. I have personally seen instances where the patient would NOT abandon a hyperstimulated cycle, and at home continued the meds and the process as they felt they had too much invested in the process. Luckily, not often does it result in 8 babies. The final answer is not out. But there is a good chance she brought this on herself.</p>
<p>CBS reports: On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him “stunned. As the story’s unfolded and it’s gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to apparently IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice.” </p>
<p>Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it’s “absolutely” possible the octuplets’ mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we’re policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that’s going to make the healthy, single-born baby. "</p>
<p>And a UT Austin affiliated hospital has had experience with a mother with Muchausen Syndrome and the use of gonadotropins. She was not pregnant however. But she was using fertility injections she acquired on her own. She screwed herself up, confused the doctors as the test results made no sense. Her pregnaqncy test was falsely positive, and she nearly was operated on for an ectopic pregnancy that she did not have. But her clinical picture was consistant with that, and she withheld info on what she was doing, It was reported in the literature, and one can probably google and find references online. She had previously had multiple ER visits and other sugeries, all self-induced problems.</p>
<p>OMG, I hope everyone who is prochoice is giving this woman her right to choose. If having an abortion is a woman’s right over her reproductive choices than having 20 kids should be okay, no matter how she got them.
I’m not saying she is right, just like I don’t think abortion is right for me, but I support reproductive choice. So I have to let this one go. Ethically, she has to live with this one.</p>
<p>Well, I sure hope a social worker is now involved with working this mother and her 14 children! I agree that grandparents are not going to be able to care for 14 children without a lot of help! I think that most grandparents can be worn out by just one toddler. I see this really as tragic. </p>
<p>In the Dugger’s case, their older children help to care for their younger children. I am not going to comment as to whether this is fair, unfair, etc. The point is that in this case of the 14 children, the oldest child is only seven!</p>
<p>But just because you have a right does not mean you should exercise it.</p>
<p>I also strongly believe in free speech, and I think that includes burning the American flag. But just because you have the right to do so doesn’t mean that you ought to do so.</p>
<p>It is also quite likely, as sunnyflorida has made clear, that this woman has committed fraud and/or theft. The problem now is that these children have been born, and the rest of society is not likely to want to stand idly by while they die for lack of medical care, starve, or are neglected, which means that this lunatic will continue to consume vast resources as a result of her actions while many others go without even basic care or are bankrupted.</p>
<p>One can only hope that she is now infertile.</p>
<p>I am of the opinion that when you have more than two or three children, you’re basically saying that you don’t give a **** about the rest of the world, and that you’re only thinking about yourself. If you want 14 kids, birth two and adopt the rest.</p>
<p>Whatever that family gets from the photo/story rights probably won’t even pay for a year of taking care of 14 kids plus their mom. If the mother had those babies for publicity and money, I think she’ll be very disappointed.</p>
<p>How long will it take before octuplets don’t merit a six-figure contract with the Enquirer or their ilk? When I was growing up quintuplets were newsworthy; with modern drugs it looks like pretty much any woman who wants to have a litter can do so. Before long the money will dry up, but the kids will still be around.</p>
<p>I agree with those who have suggested that the mom (and probably grandma, too) likely has mental problems of some sort. Taking fertility drugs when you already have 6 kids below the age of 8 is not rational. And can anyone blame grandpa for getting out of Dodge and heading back to Iraq? From that frying pan the fire probably doesn’t look like that bad of an alternative.</p>
<p>There was an article in the newspaper recently about the family in Texas who had had a high-order multiple birth a couple of years ago. I don’t remember the details of the birth, but the article last week was all about how they’re struggling because none of the donations or forms of assistance they had expected had panned out.</p>