<p>Mothers of sons: This situation is an object lesson for our sons: If a woman ever asks them to be a sperm donor with no responsibilities, they should run like heck in the oppoite direction.</p>
<p>Frankly, to me that should be common sense, but I guess it’s not.</p>
<p>Big difference between donating to a sperm bank and donating to a friend or acquaintance.</p>
<p>I do know single moms who used friends as sperm donors, but from the beginning, the fathers had some responsibilities. This can be something that is workable when, for instance, gay men and lesbian women want to procreate and the men want to be fathers, not guys who make a deposit and then have no responsibilities.</p>
<p>So she just stopped by his place and picked up some more sperm?!?!?! And the fertility clinic just took it and used it!?!?!?! No HIV or Hepatitis screening? No screening of the donor for GC, Chamydia, Syphyllis? “Don’t worry, Doc, I’ll just bring the sperm myself!” </p>
<p>There are standards not just for the number of embryos transferred, but for the use of donor sperm. Geez. I guess at least the doc wasn’t running to the back room to suddenly come back with a fresh specimen. </p>
<p>The more that comes out about the clinic and the physician, the more I shudder. And shake my head.</p>
<p>I was wondering about the sperm, too. I had assumed that Nadya’s friend was posing as her husband and “donating” at the clinic. In my years of infertility treatment, I have never heard of anyone bringing a sample in from home. I thought that it was essential to rush the little buggers to the lab. And, of course, both my husband and I were tested every 6months or so for HIV and other conditions.</p>
<p>Holy guacamole, this fertility doctor is battier than I thought! Don’t fertility clinics also take some sort of family history from sperm donors to avoid passing some genetic diseases onto the IVF children? This doc should be put out of business, pronto!</p>
<p>I saw that clip online of Nadya and her mother. I think the captions about it being an all out fight are exaggerated. But in any case, the “dispute” was that Nadya’s mother was questioning the choices she made to have implanted all those embryos when she already had six children and her inability to care for so many. Nadya’s stance was that what is done is done and so move on and accept it. I find this is a typical response by someone who does not want to be held accountable for the choices they have made.</p>
<p>The part I saw was the mom repeatedly bringing up that Nadya cannot afford the children nor made plans for their care, and trying to ask Nadya why she chose to implant the 6 embryos rather than to consider other choices. Nadya repeatedy talked over mom, barely letting mom get a word in, trying to tell her mom (or the TV audience) what they would do to destroy the embryos if she hadn’t used them (not mentioning that the embryos could have stayed in their frozen state for the time being), and iggoring mom’s suggestion that she could have donated them to someone else/adopted them out to another family.</p>
<p>The news then went on to say that a few of the babies may be ready for discharge soon, and Nadya seems to have made no preparations. They said the home is not prepared, the current kids at home sit in front of the tv as a babysitter much of the day, and they have no computer or internet. They said Nadya has been spending much of her time shopping and getting her nails done. </p>
<p>It sounds like they said that Allred also filed a complaint with Fam. and Cldns svcs. and gave Nadya a deadline as to whether or not she (Nadya) would accept her offer, so that the organizations would have reasonable time to make arrangements for staffing and care for the children. What a trainwreck.</p>
<p>If I was working with Nadya Suleman (I wouldn’t b/c I have my own ethics), I would tell her that Gloria Allred is somebody you don’t want to go up against, especially since the avg American is against you…take her offer and move on…fight her, you better understand that you are fighting somebody with endless amounts of money and connections, and again you don’t have the support of your family or the avg American…people aren’t going to be on your side.</p>
<p>I saw the clip today of her fighting with her mom…she just solidified my opinion that she is a selfish, self centered person…“what’s done is done” comment showed she never thought about the consequences, even more disgusting is that she knew she had 3 out of 6 with medical handicap issues. Her berating of her mother who allowed her to move into her home also showed her inconsideration…you owe me attitude was very apparent.</p>
<p>I also saw the clip of the woman screaming at her at the gas station. I feel bad for her being berated, but when she asks for financial support she opened herself up to criticism.</p>
<p>Tomorrow will be a big news cycle for her with dear old Dad being on Oprah today. I haven’t watched Oprah in about a decade, but I will watch it today</p>
<p>I agree with bulletandpima. She seemed very disrespectful and unappreciative towards her mother. Without her mother, she and her children would be homeless. You’d think she would be a little nicer.</p>
<p>Who, exactly, is Gloria Allred? I take it she has offered to provide housing and care for the family? What is she demanding in exchange? </p>
<p>This is very hard to watch. I went through years of infertility treatments, and I met many wonderful people who went to great lengths to have children. Most of them ended up with children either by birth or adoption, but some didn’t. I know people now, including close relatives, who are looking for a single baby or twins to adopt. All of these people would be committed parents, and none of them would leave the kids in front of the TV all day! I could pick up the phone and, within an hour, find good homes for all 14 of those kids.</p>
<p>I agree that considering that her mom has provided her housing and also child care, that Nadya showed far too much disrespect in that video clip. I mean, we can’t even attribute it to teenage rebellion as she is over 30!</p>
<p>As far as the offer from Gloria Allred…while it is a great offer…I have read that they can’t maintain all of that child care help very long unless the organization receives donations. I think it will be hard to solicit donations in this case, but it may be easier if it is at least going through an organization that will see to it that the money is spent on good child care.</p>
<p>I just watched the video of the argument. Nadya’s mother certainly looks tired! I can’t imagine speaking to my mother the way Nadya speaks to hers. I can’t imagine speaking to anyone that way, actually. And she sets up a false choice - transfer all the embryos or destroy some. There is a reference during the argument to “leaving them frozen” so clearly there was the option to thaw only some. This does imply that the doctor had freezing capability. </p>
<p>Nadya, Nadya’s mother, Nadya’s father, Nadya’s ex-boyfriend, all perfectly happy to go on TV to reveal their personal lives to the world.</p>
<p>I just watched the clip. It was very Jerry Springer-like. At the end, Nadya sort of winks at the camera. I believe her mother’s pain is real. Not to mention her confusion. </p>
<p>I wonder if Nadya’s mother has ever put her foot down to Nadya. I certainly got the impression during the video clip (the fight) that she’s a pushover. Nadya is very forceful during the fight, and her mother doesn’t seem to be able to push back. Seems to me this girl could have used some “tough love” some where along the way.</p>
<p>Oh, those poor children. Some are already old enough to have friends who watch TV; the rest will grow up with all this drama on the internet forever. As if their lives on the playground won’t be hard enough.</p>
<p>Hanna,
Apparently these kids are parked in front of a TV all day. I wouldn’t be surprised if the older ones have already been watching this play out in the news. How awful for them.</p>