<p>“she did not go into this with the goal of having 8 kids”</p>
<p>If true, so what? Assume that she’s telling the truth about only six embryos being implanted (a big assumption). It is NOT unlikely that all of them would implant in a young, healthy woman with several recent full-term pregnancies. Would this family’s scenario be more realistic and more sane with just six additional preemies in the mix…or five, or four? It’s insane regardless.</p>
<p>“She is not the only woman in America who would have refused selective reduction”</p>
<p>Again, so? I think that ANY woman with an excellent history of carrying to term, who is opposed to selective reduction, who has six embryos implanted at once has her priorities seriously out of whack. That’s a recipe for a lot of death and suffering.</p>
<p>Well, four kids is NOT a big family. Hardly can compare that to 14 kids under age 7. But numbers aside, the cirucmstances in this case make it even more difficult to fathom. </p>
<p>Also children spaced apart is not the same as all at once. “Normal” children is not the same as special needs children in terms of the care involved. </p>
<p>While Nadya did not expect to get 8 on this round, she already had six, some with special needs and not the means to care for them and so adding even one more was a lot and she knew the probabilty of twins was pretty great and so that was two more for a total of 8 children under age 7 without the resources. She should not have had six implanted since it COULD result in more births and also risk to her own life and that of any possible multiples. </p>
<p>I don’t think this is solely about numbers of children. It is the entire case in this situation with many factors being signficant that do not exist in a simply large family.</p>
<p>EDIT, cross posted with Hanna…agree with your points entirely.</p>
<p>I think the real question is not why did she have 6 embryos implanted at once but – and Dr. Phil pointed this out – why, with 6 kids already under the age of 7, 3 of them special needs, do she want to have even one more?</p>
<p>I agree with the previous posters. She had no financial resources, no health insurance, no significant other, no home of her own and only two parents in their 60’s and 70’s to help with the original 6 kids, some of whom have special needs. Those of us who have taken on the responsibility to provide and care for the children we chose to bring into this world are horrified at her lack of responsibility. She doesn’t appear to be capable in any sense of actually raising her children.</p>
<p>Declined the “Angels” offer? Unbelievable! I saw a video clip of the woman who runs the foundation, a nurse with 25 years experience caring for premies. She described what they were offering, and it sounded like the best possible solution for the babies. Why did Nadya decline?</p>
<p>I feel awful whenever I see film of the babies. They are so incredibly tiny and fragile.</p>
<p>I caught a little bit of an interview of ehr on Entertainment Tonight, adn she did say she had been contacted by the State Departmen of family and childrens services. She also couldnt identify her octuplets in photographs she was shown (she didnt know which was which). Granted that would be hard as there are a lot of them they are small, the angles weren’t ideal, 2 are identical twins and she probably hasnt spent enough time around them to recognize them, but I dont recall if she correctly identified any of the babys’ photographs shown to her. My comments are only partly tongue in cheek. Sad, sad, sad.</p>
<p>“After several phone conversations with Suleman, Allred and Angels In Waiting had a meeting set up with her for last Monday, but Suleman never showed.
They say Suleman seemed more interested in capitalizing on her infants than caring for them – by asking to do a reality show – and hold press conferences every two weeks updating the babies’ conditions.” </p>
<p>Guess Dr. Phil didn’t make as much of an impact as he thought…she still just doesn’t get it at all. How very sad. I never want to see these kids on a reality show, this is the worst example of attention seeking behavior I’ve ever seen. Hope the state makes her use the proceeds from all these photo selling and other commercial press deals to pay her hospital tab. This story needs to start fading away soon, for the kids’ sake.</p>
<p>If I remember correctly, in the previous 5 implantations, 6 embryos were used in each and only one of the pregnancies resulted in twins. </p>
<p>So I can see why there would be such surprise on her and her doctor’s part that all 6 would “take” in this latest implantation.</p>
<p>But also agree with others, the part that frosts me is that she underwent this latest implantation when she had 6 at home that she couldn’t afford as it was!</p>
<p>Just catching up with all the new posts, and going back to post 1075-her lack of empathy/gratitude to her mother still really bothers me. Think about it–at 69, her mother would have been 36 when she had Nadya. That was relatively old then–so maybe having another child wasn’t an option. Maybe she also had fertility problems, marital problems or financial difficulties. The same type of fertility treatments weren’t so readily available. Yet Nadya simply continues to blast her mother for not having more children? Crazy!</p>
<p>But–even though her mother has been instrumental in raising Nadya’s first six, she clearly never put her foot down and made Nadya be responsible for her own life. So I don’t even think Grandma is the best person to be raising this next generation of willfully spoiled children!</p>
<p>Ummmmm – how about Jon and Kate Plus Eight? Kate’s certainly got her act together much more than Nadya, but isn’t she seeking lots of attention also??</p>
<p>BTW, it’s Nadya who has told us that in each IVF attempt, six embryos were implanted. (And that’s why it was beyond belief that she wound up having eight babies.) Given her track record with the facts, I’d like to hear some independent verification of that fact before I completely believe her.</p>
<p>Also – what’s going on with the doctor? Do we know if anyone is checking into him and planning some sort of reprimand or penalty?</p>
<p>VeryHappy, the thread is getting long, but yes we have posted that the state is investigating. Even online there are federal public records showing problems at his clinic.</p>
<p>“Given her track record with the facts, I’d like to hear some independent verification of that fact”</p>
<p>Same here. It’s awfully suspicious to me that there would be exactly six on seven different occasions. Hyperstimulated ovaries don’t follow directions like that. You’ll get three ova on one cycle and nine on the next. If we are to believe her statement that she implants all of the embryos from each cycle, without freezing or discarding any, this supposed pattern of six per cycle seven times in a row (as she and her ova aged seven years!) is not convincing to me.</p>
<p>At any rate, even if that’s true, if she got pregnancies from every cycle, using six embryos without a willingness to reduce shows a cavalier attitude toward her children’s lives and health.</p>
<p>I think she has been planting frozen embryos that resulted from previous harvestations, so the number implanted can be controlled. Obviously, what can’t be controlled is how many take.</p>
<p>The fact that she is refusing Angel’s offer becasue they are saying NO to a reality show - how stupid. From what I was reading the Angel’s offer was for 6 months, to help Nadya figure out her life, get some help etc. The fact that she would like a reality show here and now shows that she is already exploiting her children. If she was being quiet for a time being, thinking about the kids only, not about the “money making machine” they can become, the offers would pour in. I can’t believe that in the foreclosure stricken Ca no bank has offered her a cheap rental of a huge house, no car company offered to provide a minibus etc. It is all due to her behaviour.</p>
<p>Can you imagine those little ones at home, under the same roof with 6 older children? Infections will be constant, with SRV able to kill premature infant.
What will Nadya do when she gets sick? I am down with the cold right now and my house can’t function. I only have two kids ;)</p>