<p>I don’t think the budget crisis in California has any hope of recovery thanks to the selfishness of this woman. I bet that the Kaiser HMO will find a perfectly good reason to drop her like a hot potato (if she and her family haven’t already bankrupted them) but she may have to relocate to a different state to stay on the dole. She may have a tough time getting any AFDC if she stays in California. Believe it or not, she is not the worst abuser of the welfare system that I have encountered and I am so glad I left California when I did.</p>
<p>" the social costs of only or overprotected children."
Yes, hope4freeride, people here in Ca are in no mood to take on another 14 kids. I will take on the “social cost” (per FB10) of my only child over the fiscal cost of some maniacs horrible choice. FB10----I only had one—BECAUSE THATS ALL I COULD AFFORD!</p>
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Nah…they are getting some great publicity out of this. They are coming out ahead here…</p>
<p>Wake up folks–this is America; what was that line-“It takes a village…”</p>
<p>We have been fed so much by the media and if our economy does not turn around, there will be no money to take care of situations like this!</p>
<p>There is clearly some pathology going on here. Works in a fertility clinic. Great lengths to have all of these kids. Sounds like an obsession.</p>
<p>Let’s not forget these 8 more than likely will have physical and developmental problems, at least some of them. I’m not saying it’s a given, and not all of them, but the odds certainly are higher than a non-octuplet birth. The smallest I believe is 1.8 LB, the largest 3.4. Who knows what problems are going to arise in the next few years? Certainly nothing like raising perfect little Dugger clone kids (I can’t stand those parents…the mom stands there while her 5 year old kid scrubs the toilet).</p>
<p>It says a lot about the mom that she refused selective abortion. That would have been in the best interest of the children. Which apparently wasn’t her prime concern. I recall a couple who had septuplets…for religious reasons they also refused selective abortion. Some of those kids have serious issues.</p>
<p>Actually, I read she worked as a psychiatric tech in a clinic.</p>
<p>I stand corrected… she held a psychiatric technician’s license from 1997 to 2002.</p>
<p>Whoa, ferryboat10 changed their post after I said I agreed. I do agree about taking care of the children but what is “social cost of only children” supposed to mean?</p>
<p>2331clk, Don’t get me started on the selective abortion part of this story and others like it. These people have no problem wresting the control of their fertility from G-d right up until someone suggests they take responsibility for the outcome. </p>
<p>I knew I did not want to do a selective reduction. So I didn’t participate in any infertility treatments that would raise those odds significantly. Of course, that restricted the size of my family to one child. And, apparently, I’ve placed a significant burden on society in making that choice. </p>
<p>Talk about not being able to win. I’m getting a headache.</p>
<p>The social costs of only children? Hunh?</p>
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<p>Agreed. I might be wrong, but that’s the impression I get from the little information thus far. It’s like those people who have way too much plastic surgery and end up grotesque. Only far worse as it affects so many innocents.</p>
<p>Maybe she’s been watching too much reality TV and thinks she too can be famous like Kate.</p>
<p>"The California woman who gave birth to octuplets on Monday, although once married, seems to have had all 14 of her kids out of wedlock – and various public records raise questions about the family’s ability to support them.</p>
<p>ABC News has learned through San Bernardino Superior Court Records that the 33-year-old California woman, whose name is Nadya Doud (she filed to have her name changed to Nadya Suleman in 2001 – though it was not clear if the request was granted), divorced her husband, Marcos Gutierrez, in January 2008.</p>
<p>The document indicates “no children of the marriage,” suggesting that Gutierrez was not the father of Doud’s previous six children.</p>
<p>Doud lived with Gutierrez for about three-and-a-half years from August 1996 until January 2000, when she moved back with her parents, Edward and Angela Suleman, living at several addresses, records show. The parents were granted a divorce in Las Vegas in 1999, but evidently still live together…"
[ABC</a> News: Octuplets’ Mom: Can She Afford to Raise 14 Kids?](<a href=“Octuplets' Mom: Can She Afford to Raise 14 Kids? - ABC News”>Octuplets' Mom: Can She Afford to Raise 14 Kids? - ABC News)</p>
<p>Doud lived with Gutierrez for about three-and-a-half years from August 1996 until January 2000, when she moved back with her parents, Edward and Angela Suleman, living at several addresses, records show. The parents were granted a divorce in Las Vegas in 1999, but evidently still live together…"</p>
<p>It sounds like this family knows how to work the system…I wonder what kind of government assistance they receive and if it is higher because of marital status ( both grandparents and mother of the litters )</p>
<p>How does anyone handle that many babies and small children at once ? How do they afford the diapers ? where can they possible sleep ? What kind of vehicle do they drive to be able to fit all those children safely with proper car seats and other restraints ?</p>
<p>It seems like it would be impossible to get any sleep…but it doesn’t seem like any of those issues were considered , like a normal parent would deal with before choosing to become pregnant</p>
<p>Who remembers the Dionne quintuplets? Taken away from uneducated parents who already had five children and raised by the state. I guess that would be one option.</p>
<p>^^ I never heard of them , but I don’t understand what being raised by the state means ? Were they put up for adoption ? Honestly, it seems logical, but seems like it would be difficult to implement…I think about all of the childless couples who would jump a the chance</p>
<p>"(CNN) – The Dionne quintuplets were the miracle babies of their time – a bright story in the depth of the Depression.</p>
<p>But their story is tragic; their lives a circus.</p>
<p>The five sisters, Annette, Cecile, Yvonne, Marie and Emilie, were born from a single egg in 1934. The public seemed to adore them. But, they were abused – both by the world and, they claim, by their father.</p>
<p>As babies, the quints were taken from their parents by the Ontario government and made wards of the state. Although their health was fine, they lived at a hospital that became a tourist mecca called “Quintland.”</p>
<p>Between 1934 and 1943, about 3 million people visited Quintland, a low, modern building with a garden and a high fence near the village of Corbeil, in Northern Ontario.</p>
<p>The government and nearby businesses made an estimated half-billion dollars off the tourists. The sisters were the nation’s biggest tourist attraction – bigger than Niagara Falls…"
[CNN</a> - The Dionne quintuplets: A Depression-era freak show - November 19, 1997](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/19/dionne.quints/]CNN”>http://www.cnn.com/US/9711/19/dionne.quints/)</p>
<p>"BELLFLOWER – The mother of octuplets is “obsessed with children” and wanted “just one more girl”, according to her mother.</p>
<p>33 year old Nadya Suleman’s goal in life was to be a mother, her friends and family said. That is why, even with six young children, including 2-year-old twins, she decided to have more embryos transferred in hopes, her mother said Friday, of getting “just one more girl.”</p>
<p>“And look what happened. Octuplets. Dear God,” Angela Suleman said four days after her daughter became the second person in the U.S. ever to give birth to eight babies at once.</p>
<p>Suleman stressed that her daughter “is not evil, but she is obsessed with children. She loves children, she is very good with children, but obviously she overdid herself…”</p>
<p>Allison Frickert, a friend of Nadya Suleman, said the mother was not seeking potential fame or financial benefit. “There was no overriding situation, other than having more children to love,” she said.</p>
<p>“Her whole life, she couldn’t wait to be a mom,” Frickert said. “That was her No. 1 goal.”</p>
<p>Friends and family also reported that Nadya Suleman worked as a psychiatric technician until she was injured on the job. Then she began having children and enrolled in school.</p>
<p>She graduated from Cal State Fullerton in 2006 with a bachelor of science degree in child and adolescent development, school officials said. She returned to pursue a master’s in counseling, but last attended in the spring of 2008…"
[Octuplets</a>’ Mother ‘Obsessed with Children’, Wanted ‘One More Girl’](<a href=“404 - Page Not Found | KTLA”>404 - Page Not Found | KTLA)</p>
<p>I wonder if the name of the Doctor/Fertility Specialist will be revealed–if there is indeed one. There seems to be no info from the media about who the fertility specialist is for this mother.</p>
<p>At best, this woman seems troubled. Not the most likely candidate to successfully raise 14 small children, no matter how much she loves them and how “good” a mother she may be. A single woman, even with the help of her parents, does not have the resources needed to raise 14 small children. Given news stories, it does not appear that she is the responsible citizen who has access to strong extended family (grandparents are not enough in this case) or church (like the Iowa family and others) who might provide the dozens of extra hands needed to raise these little ones.</p>
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<p>Exactly. She is going to need DOZENS of people to help out in shifts around the clock or she will go insane (along with her poor mother). Her older children are not old enough to serve as babysitters. And their quality of life will be sorely downgraded the day those eight babies finally come home.</p>
<p>Plus, the house is TOO small. There is no way the state would even approve a day care license for 14 (eight of whom will be under one year) in that size of a house with two adults. </p>
<p>She seriously needs to consider doing the right thing for these children: adoption. Allow them to be adopted in pairs by good families that have the resources to raise them so they will at least get the chance to maximize their full potential. She may have only wanted “one more girl” but she got two girls and six more sons… do the right thing and give them up.</p>
<p>The whole situation of embryos in deep freeze is an ethical problem. We have neighbors who have had this done. They ended up with over a dozen embryos. They have a set of twins. What to do with the rest of the embryos? If they wanted the rest of them implanted in them, is it their business? A lot of questions here.</p>