<p>The most disturbing part of the 911 call that I heard was the part that she kept saying “I am going to kill myself:” I am not sure, but I think she said it about 5 times. The 911 operator had to tell her to stop saying that in front of her other child that was with her. One more time, it shows Nadya thinking of herself, “I am going to kill mysel”) That would NOT be my reaction to a missing child.</p>
<p>nysmile…what was odd in that call with the six year old is that he said he was with a babysitter and that he was in charge of the children as the babysitter was making soup and could not come to the phone (though may had had some lies in there to cover that he had dialed 911 as a prank). But you are right that later when an adult comes to the phone, it is the grandmother’s voice. When I first listened, I thought the grandmother came home in the middle of all that because the kid said it was a babysitter (nobody calls their grandmother a babysitter even if they are!! LOL). But the kid may have had some lying going on and didn’t want to get the adult since he had made a prank call and was in trouble. Can’t say. All of it was very odd.</p>
<p>I wonder if it is the oldest, if his autism is something like Aspergers (highly functioning, however, they don’t get it socially) This might explain why he was able to do it as a prank. These children typically don’t get the finess of social situations…i.e I dare you to without realizing that you shouldn’t take a dare. Our DS has Aspergers and at that age he took everything very literal…if you told him he can do something every blue moon, he would watch the sky every night for the moon to turn blue. We use to joke that he would be a very good police officer because he always followed the rules…it was only when he was diagnosed we realized why…telling him if you do that it will make Mommy cry, meant to him that I would cry. Sometimes it works for you, because they can be very good children since they take everything for real…sometimes it is frustratingbecause they don’t understand their friends and social space.</p>
<p>The 911 recording with Nadya out of control saying she was going to kill herself with kids clearly in the background is just horrifying. IMO it shows a clearly unstable, panic prone women who doesn’t have any possibility of handling even the average family situation.</p>
<p>" because 8 people in a 1500 sqft home seems like they should have at least considered the housing conditions. "</p>
<p>Those of us who are in our 50s grew up in a time in which the ideal family in the U.S. had 4 kids and a family of 6 lived in a 1,200 square foot home.</p>
<p>I agree…I grew up in a family of 5 in a 1200 sqft home, however, take a look at the video of that home. Toys are skewed everywhere and walls have been scribbled on. Bedrooms are cluttered wall to wall. Back in my youth we did not have toys upon toys…we had 1 tv and our entertainment was playing outside making mud pies or blind mans bluff in the basement. The toys we had were expected to be put away when we finished playing with them. From a young age all of my children were taught to put away the toys when they were done with them…and I mean by the time they were at least 3 or 4 they know the Clean Up song and when Mommy started singing it they did clean up. That house is more like a 600 sqft home if you really look at the videos. If she didn’t have the octuplets she would be a prime candidate for CLEAN HOUSE, afterall they are in the LA area where it is filmed.</p>
<p>“Yes, the child said that his mother and father were at a party yet there is no father.”</p>
<p>Yes, he could have been confused, but it could also have been a child’s fantasy of having a sitcom-style family.</p>
<p>As for the square footage/person ratio, I consider 600sqft-900sqft/person ideal, depending on how much personal space is desired.</p>
<p>You consider 600-900 sqft for 8 people ideal…please tell me you are joking? Look at the video that house is horrific and disgusting…what parent with any sense doesn’t turn to their child and tell them walls aren’t meant to scribble on…all of that shows is she is so overburdened that she isn’t even teaching them the most simplistic things, like respecting GRANDMAs house. You can see from moment one before they enter that the house will be gross…strollers and bikes astrewn on the front yard…can you imagine being the neighbor in this housing market and trying to sell your home…kiss CURB APPEAL GOODBY because of her. If she can’t pull in the 6 kids she has by teaching them that certain things are not theirs to destroy, or picking up after themselves or not biting, than can you just imagine what it will be like with 8 terrible two toddlers?</p>
<p>Even if she moves to a 4 bedroom and she shares with the kids…that is almost 4 people per bedroom…the avg bdrm is 150 sqft…put in 2 sets of bunk beds will take up 50 sqft ea, 2 dressers will take up another 75 sqft…that means the floor space will be 25 sqft, or basically enough to walk around in a 5 x 5 space…now add 4 children playing with their toys in that…as a MOM that is not a pretty pictures…it is basically them sitting indian style knee to knee.</p>
<p>“Those of us who are in our 50s grew up in a time in which the ideal family in the U.S. had 4 kids and a family of 6 lived in a 1,200 square foot home.”</p>
<p>Northstarmom: thanks! All over the world parents raise healthy, happy, and sometimes quite large, families in much less square footage.</p>
<p>The reason we also played outside was because we didn’t have AC…we woke up in the morning and stayed outside all day for the breeze, summertime dinners were in the backyard b/c Mom didn’t want to heat up the house with the oven…we didn’t have AC or ceiling fans until I was 15 :eek:</p>
<p>bulletandpima: I said 600-900sqft PER PERSON!!! Meaning, for a family of four: 2,400sqft-3,600sqft. Meaning for a family of three: about 2,000sqft. And A/C, due to my skin condition, is a must. </p>
<p>Please read what I said fully before you ask if I’m joking.</p>
<p>bulletandpima…our house (where my children have grown up) doesn’t have AC.</p>
<p>Future NYU student, like most people who grew up right near NYU, my family of four lived in an apartment that was probably not even 900 square feet. No A/C, the old buildings and still don’t have the wiring.<br>
Many of my friends had larger families in similar size or slightly larger apartments. None of us had more than one bathroom. Somehow we managed and didn’t feel deprived. Our apartments were cluttered, but that is different than being dirty.</p>
<p>According to the following, the child with autism is the 3-year old. I suspect that is the one she was holding that was biting, slapping and pulling her hair:</p>
<p>[Trusera</a> | Octuplets mom said she missed her son with autism the most | Story | Health](<a href=“http://www.trusera.com/health/stories/trusera_on_autism/octuplets-mom-said-she-missed-her-son-with-autism-the-most]Trusera”>http://www.trusera.com/health/stories/trusera_on_autism/octuplets-mom-said-she-missed-her-son-with-autism-the-most)</p>
<p>Here is a quote from that news item dated back on Feb 11:</p>
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<p>I would never say out loud, much less to the news media, that I missed one child more than another.</p>
<p>Air conditioning can be a necessity depending on where they live, and the condition of those preemies’ lungs. I know our neighbor’s preemies have some lung issues which is not uncommon. My brother’s kids have severe allergies, so air conditioning is important to them.</p>
<p>second spring: just because it worked for you doesn’t mean it’ll work for me. I’m a pretty reserved individual. I’m a fan of socializing as much as anyone else I NEED my private space. It’s something that’s not negotiable. And as for air conditioning, I get extremely itchy and start itching until I bleed in extreme temperatures and humidity, so that needs to be regulated at all times. I can live with 300sqft per person. Below that and things just start becoming uninhabitable.</p>
<p>To refine my space per person formula, I go with this for optimal space (this formula’s specific to ME): 800sqft+(400sqft*number of people in the family). That gives a family of four an optimal of 2,400square feet. A family of three: 2,000sqft. A family of five: 2,800sqft.</p>
<p>Any bigger and it just becomes too much work or too expensive. Any less and stuff starts piling up in places that shouldn’t pile up. In a temporary living arrangement, I’m willing to compromise on space, but when I buy a house, I refuse to compromise on anything. If I can’t find the perfect house, I’ll wait.</p>
<p>You are right. that child slapping her probably was the autistic son.</p>
<p>“She has vowed not to accept welfare, but the Los Angeles Times reported she accepts $490 a month in food stamps and some federal assistance for her 3-year-old autistic son, a 7-year-old son with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and a 2-year-old with speech difficulty.”
[Octuplets</a> grandma Angela Suleman no longer resents daughter Nadya](<a href=“http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/02/16/2009-02-16_octuplets_grandma_angela_suleman_no_long.html]Octuplets”>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/02/16/2009-02-16_octuplets_grandma_angela_suleman_no_long.html)</p>
<p>I know this is old news, but how does she receive assistance for an ADHD child and one with speech problems? I had one of each and I sure would have loved for someone else to pay for their therapy!</p>
<p>“WHITTIER, Calif. (AP) — Octuplet mom Nadya Suleman says the hormonal surge of pregnancy is what drove her to make a wild 911 call when one of her children wandered off last year.
In a video posted to RadarOnline.com Thursday, Suleman says she was right to call 911 when her 5-year-old son went missing, but she overreacted because she was pregnant with her octuplets and her hormones were out of control.”</p>
<p>[The</a> Associated Press: Octuplet mom says hormones drove wild 911 call](<a href=“http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD96O26VO2]The”>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD96O26VO2)</p>