<p>What the hell? You know what, as crappy as the foster care system is, I’m not sure it’s worse than living with octomom. I’m not a big Dr Phil fan, but I liked what he was trying to do. She’s just psycho.</p>
<p>One thing I thought of, is that there is something Octomom could do that would make a world of difference to the babies.
Nurse them.
No obviously not grow a couple more rows of nipples, but she could express the milk and the nannies could feed them in bottles. ( and ya- it would take her all day, that is what you call-logical consequences)</p>
<p>I pumped my milk for about 4 months * after* the two months my D, spent in the hospital and I think that it contributed to her stunning recovery.</p>
<p>Premies have many health challenges, especially gastro, and while that alone probably indicates that Mama Earth didn’t mean for us to give birth to litters, since some of us do, it is even more reason to feed them the healthiest food possible.</p>
<p>^^I am glad you brought this up emeraldkity, because in the beginning didn’t she say she would breast feed? Expressing would be one way to go. But unless they won’t take the breast after becoming accustomed to bottles at this point, she really could just nurse all day, two babies at a time (one on each breast), and keep rotating through the babies. I have read there are eight feedings a day for the octuplets. Each baby would then get two mama feedings a day? Is that right? I don’t know how it would work if a single baby got one mama feeding a day. It seems unlikely to me the babies would take the breast just once in 24 hours?? It sounds from what I have read that the babies are on a three hour feeding schedule and lots of nursing moms do that, even with multiples. Most I know demand feed but that just wouldn’t work in this case imho. It isn’t unusual to both nurse and supplement with bottled fomula with twins or triplets.</p>
<p>emeraldkity: you have my utmost admiration for pumping all that time! I have friends who did the same and it was really really difficult.</p>
<p>:eek: My goodness she’d need a 36L (long) bra after all that breastfeeding.</p>
<p>Or a visit to the plastic surgeon she doesn’t have.</p>
<p>I think nurses are mandated reporters in all states. Surely she, as a would-be couselor, knew this. Are nannies exempt?</p>
<p>Many babysitters call themselves nannies, but have no true credentials, and certainly no state license that requires them to report abuse or neglect. While some nannies have formal training and certificates, their job position is not monitored by a state board, etc. </p>
<p>Nadya truly needs some professional, licensed NURSES to assist with the care of 8 premies, not just some self-titled nannies.</p>
<p>But in reality, a nurse that is independently paid is going to take her job of protecting these children FAR MORE SERIOUSLY than on who is paid by Nadya. </p>
<p>And given the negative public sentiment towards Nadya, especially now, where is the money going to come from, and who is crazy enough to take the job? I don’t care for Dr Phil, and I have never sat down to watch his show, but I am rooting for him to help mediate this mess. </p>
<p>And with regards to her parents, I think they are at a point where they just need to step aside and leave the scene. There is nothing they can do now, and they risk their health and well being by staying and trying to wrestle any control of common sense.</p>
<p>This is a NIGHTMARE.</p>
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<p>Don’t worry I am sure she already has contacted a plastic surgeon to have this done.</p>
<p>The only shocker about the Angels to me is I thought they would quit.</p>
<p>I guess Dr Phil is going to have to make a house call to her. I always thought she took that deal because it was the only way to get support and donations, now she has them she kicked the to the curb. It was very apparent on the show when the Angel spokesperson was speaking that Nadya had contempt for them by not looking at them. Her hand was forced. I find it ironic that she actually wants to be on the show to defend herself…I think Dr. Phil will have to eat her for lunch. Afterall, on his message boards after the show people were very angry and disapproving. His name is on the line now, and I am thinking he is ticked! Big clue for her…Gloria and Phil run in the same circles, I am sure he has more respect for Gloria than Nadya, so who is he going to show in a better light?</p>
<p>The question is will Kaiser release the remaining 4 now that this is made public? Will CPS get involved? Will Gloria Alred bring this to the level that she did before, i.e. legally trying to remove the children.</p>
<p>The women has no business raising 1child, let alone 14. </p>
<p>NEXT HEADLINE OCTO-MOM IS BEING SUED FOR CUSTODY</p>
<p>I just looked on dr phils site, today is the day they are airing an update.</p>
<p>“The question is will Kaiser release the remaining 4 now that this is made public?”</p>
<p>I don’t think that Kaiser would release the remaining 4 even if this hadn’t been made public. Without enough caretakers, it simply would be a dangerous situation for the preemies to be released to. </p>
<p>I imagine that the family also is lined up for a CPS visit, and the infants may be taken away shortly.</p>
<p>Imagine, too, what those kids’ world must be like. Their mom comes home, they move, they get new caretakers, new siblings come home, and wherever they go, they are magnets for the public.</p>
<p>Just having the mom return home after being gone for so long while in the hospital would have been a stressor. I imagine that while the kids were delighted to see her, but probably acted out because they were ticked that she had – in their young eyes – abandoned them. This particularly would have been difficult for the toddlers and the child with autism, but would have been rough for all of the kids.</p>
<p>I guess soon we’ll be hearing what was going on in the home – from the viewpoint of the fired nannies. People or other media will pay them well for that info. Maybe they’ll also have pictures of the chaos. I imagine that the nannies were forced to sign a document that they wouldn’t tell, but big bucks could get them to break the contract.</p>
<p>I am sure you will hear it today on Dr Phil and that is why she wants to be there. I think it wll be a brawl and she will be the one screaming and interrupting, while AIW will aloow her to play right into that.</p>
<p>I heard on the news that Octomom called 911 a few days ago to get Gloria Allred kicked out of her house! (Apologies if this was already mentioned). I agree that the nurses should have waited for a better reason to call DFCS about the welfare of the babies than simply the # of people in the house, but it was probably just a matter of time. Octo is gonna be scrutinized like crazy, and she simply cant handle the daunting task in front of her.</p>
<p>Wow, that adds a whole new level of crazy to the situation!</p>
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<p>Seeing the ET clip with a reporter handling the babies, the room full of camera operators, etc and wondering what on earth was going on when they weren’t filming got me pretty keyed up! It seemed pretty risky already. </p>
<p>I’m moving between a dr. phil show with young couples screaming at each other and this thread… it doesn’t seem there will be an octuplet update until tomorrow.</p>
<p>I imagine that a neonatal nurse would have pretty upset at the scene alh describes. I’m sure their goal was a quiet, peaceful environment with minimal levels of germs. I wouldn’t have found that scene acceptable even for my two 9-pounders.</p>
<p>Has there been any information on the medical status of the babies? Are they basically healthy now, just small? I know that there may well be developmental issues cropping up later, but I’m wondering about more serious medical issues. I do think that it is amazing that all eight survived, seemingly in such good shape. The obstetric and neonatal staff at Kaiser deserve a lot of credit.</p>
<p>It’s actually probably safer for the babies to have “too many” people in the home than to leave them along with her. At least there are witnesses/observers to see how the babies are doing. And if there are reporters with cameras, things will be documented. Probably the best thing in the world for those babies would be round-the-clock filming. What is going would be documented. </p>
<p>I’m very leery of the state deciding who is capable of raising their own children, but there must be guidelines. What would be the definition of neglect?</p>
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<p>^^I’m wondering too! In the ET clip the babies looked so very good to me. Much better than preemies I have seen arrive home in real life and that made me wonder how long they had been ready for release.</p>
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<p>Agree with you but feel putting preemies at medical/health risk fits the definition. The scene looked like that sort of risk/neglect to me.</p>
<p>I think in her case it will be more about her mental stability as a parent if CPS gets involved.</p>
<p>I keep wondering why Allred was at the house. Was she there knowing that she would be on Dr Phil and wanted 1st hand knowledge…or did an AIW nurse call her to complain and she was checking that out?</p>
<p>I don’t know what the definition of neglect is, but I’m sure there is a big gap between what a neonatal nurse (and some of us, including me) thinks is completely unacceptable and what CPS considers a reason to take the children. What we see is a situation that will not allow those very needy babies to do as well as possible, but it is far from true neglect or mistreatment. A really devoted mother would be trying to provide as much breastmilk as possible, as mentioned before, but not doing so is hardly a reason to take the babies. Unfortunately, they will probably stay with her, and probably not do as well for their entire lives as they would have had they gone to adoptive families. This is a sensitive issue at the moment. My brother and his wife have, after years of trying to conceive and then trying to adopt, just been matched with a birth mother who will deliver in a few months. Of course, they are joyfully making all the preparations to give this child the best life they possibly can. The expected child is the center of their universe at the moment - I can’t help but think that Nadya will always be the center of her own universe.</p>
<p>I agree, alh. I thought the four babies who have already left the hospital looked quite normal - small, but otherwise just like normal newborns. Of course, they are not really newborns, but developmentally, they are. Isn’t this about the time they would be born had the pregnancy gone to term?</p>
<p>^^I don’t know when they were due. And agree, on reflection, with you about the “good enough” mothering. But am waiting to see if the MD’s on the thread comment on medical neglect in this case.</p>