<p>I heard this morning on the radio that she has hired Kaiser nurses to help care for the babies and she is paying for it with all the money she’s getting from Rader, etc. I would imagine the Kaiser nurses are qualified and competent.</p>
<p>[Octuplets</a>’ mom fires free nursing service - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/24/octuplets.nurses.fired/index.html]Octuplets”>Octuplets' mom fires free nursing service - CNN.com)</p>
<p>"(CNN) – Nadya Suleman, the Southern California woman who gave birth to octuplets in January, has fired a nonprofit group of nurses charged with helping care for her children, CNN affiliate KTLA has reported.</p>
<p>Suleman accused the nurses, from a group called Angels in Waiting, of spying on her to report her to child-welfare authorities, the affiliate reported Monday."</p>
<p>alh, I imagine that they were born at least 2 months early. As far as medical neglect goes, I know that, if there are potential developmental issues, either physical or neurological, very early and aggressive intervention can lead to a much better outcome. I have seen this myself with the child of a neighbor/friend, who was born with a very severe case of cerebral palsy, with an absolutely dire prognosis. This child had various therapists coming to the house 6 days a week from the time he came home from the hospital, and the extensive therapy has continued. He is now 14 and leading a relatively normal life. There are all sorts of issues still, but he is well enough to have been mainstreamed in a public school. </p>
<p>But I doubt that not doing this much for the octuplets, even if they have issues that warrant intervention, constitutes medical neglect.</p>
<p>NYmomof2: Agree with you on not being able to insist on early intervention to prevent long term consequences. </p>
<p>But it seemed to me that all the strangers in the house handling preemies potentially put them at immediate health risk. That this is why visitors to the intensive care neonatal unit are monitored so carefully. Isn’t it? I don’t really know but that is my reaction.</p>
<p>Of course most moms of newborns don’t have the press monitoring their every decision, thank goodness.</p>
<p>I don’t know how much she is making from radar, but my guess is she will blow through it very quickly. Radar probably has a short term contract and unless she keeps this moronic attitude up she will eventually not be worth it.</p>
<p>She needs to be careful because she is on a double edge sword…the more inside exposure she gives the more fuel can be used against her.</p>
<p>My bet in July she will have plastic surgery and sell those rights also.</p>
<p>Im amazed those babies were only nine weeks early, * mine* was ten weeks early, although that was a different issue .</p>
<p>In the NICU, at least 27 years ago, I don’t remember the visitors being extensively monitored,(once they were admitted to NICU) but you did have to scrub to the elbows for many minutes as well as being gowned. I think all nurseries are now watched more carefully because of risks of baby snatching.</p>
<p>When she came home, she was 8 weeks old ( still before EDD), and they had waited until she could maintain body temp, hadn’t had any ABC’s for a day or so ( Apnea, Bradycardia, Cyanosis), and was off oxygen ( although some babies do go home on oxygen).</p>
<p>She weighed 3lbs9oz when she came home, even the Pampers premie diapers were a little big. ( in the hospital they just lay on them)</p>
<p>OMG I can’t imagine having two babies , just giving one a bath was a production.</p>
<p>But the point I wanted to make was, even with one baby, I had a visiting county nurse come regularly, at least every week, who answered questions and who weighed and measured her. Growth is one of the most important indicators of health in babies</p>
<p>( no, not to the extreme that some babies are force fed as one of D’s friends was , because in her mom’s culture, a roly-poly baby, meant she was a good mom)</p>
<p>My daughter was slow to gain weight, but her head was growing and that was the most important part.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.marchofdimes.com/prematurity/21284_11221.asp[/url]”>http://www.marchofdimes.com/prematurity/21284_11221.asp</a></p>
<p>I agree that those babies are remarkably healthy. My younger son was 12 weeks early, hospitalized for at 9 weeks, and came home on oxygen, which he was on for 2 more months.</p>
<p>^^To me, it seems downright miraculous she was able to carry eight babies to within nine weeks of due date. With multiples I believe there are fewer negative prematurity consequences for early delivery than with a corresponding date premature singleton birth? She seems so very good at gestating. I just wish she was using this “gift” for surrogacy at this point.</p>
<p>* multiples I believe there are fewer negative prematurity consequences for early delivery than with a corresponding date premature singleton birth?*</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>actually there are many more stresses on multiples- but it depends on reason for delivery
Some multiples are delivered early because of health indications on one or more of the babies or mom. This could be by section, or optimally by vaginal birth which can be preferable because labor helps prepare the lungs for birth. However, if there are complications during the delivery, it may end up to be a section anyway.</p>
<p>We got to know the father of twins when my D was in the hospital. ( the mother had died). They were a few months, old, were on oxygen, and were stable, although the one that was larger had a stressed circulatory system because they had shared the same amniotic sac, and her body had to cope with the extra fluid. ( she died after discharge)</p>
<p>Where the idea might have come from about multiples being healthier, is that when you have a multiple, they are stressed in utero. This stress stimulates the lungs to mature faster than they would otherwise. If compared to a baby who had not been stressed before birth, but had been delivered early for other reasons, comparatively, the multiple, may appear to be healthier. ( however, it is likely that the stress also contributed to other problems)</p>
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<p>Oh, EK–I can’t get the image of multiple rows of nipples out of my head!</p>
<p>I read the Dr Phil transcripts teasers and his message board. I am now anxious to watch it. She spoke via phone, and her attorney was there. AIW stated she only fed the babies 8 times in 5 days. That the AIW called because 3 of the nannies that Nadya approved/hired had failed the TB test and she said it was okay as long as they were a mask. AIW says they told her to use donations for security system b/c her home has been viewed and people could kidnap the babies, instead she bought a jacuzzi.
All of her nannies that she hired are hispanic and do not speak English, thus the AIW people had a communication issue. I am not degradinganybod hispanic, but she is not hispanic, and she should realize that everybody in the house needs to be able to communicate for the children. CPS is requiring a cameraman in the homw and they stated ito CPS that is a frenzy in the home
AIW spokesperson Linda (something) contacted Gloria Allred about these issues That is when she showed up at the home.</p>
<p>If this show comes off similiar to the transcripts, tomorrow the attorney will quit. </p>
<p>The posts on Dr Phil are overwhelmingly against her and there is no support.</p>
<p>I watched the videos on Radar online; it seems Nadya likes to call 911. She wanted a restraining order against AIW because they frighten her! I realize there are two sides to every story, but Nadya’s side always seems way over the top.</p>
<p>If you want a good laugh, check out the videos.</p>
<p>News this morning said she had someone else call 911 on at least 1 occasion b/c she was afraid they’d think she was calling too often (ya think??) </p>
<p>They also interviewed Gloria Allred, who claimed that after she was asked to leave, Nadya later apologized and invited her back.</p>
<p>I watched a couple of the videos and was flipping out in one instance. There was so much commotion and noise going on (this was the video where she was flipping out on her mother), that even i was jumping. These babies have had the “trauma” of birth and being in a hospital for 7 weeks, they need peace and serenity. Their internal organs must just be jumping all over the place.</p>
<p>Poor babies.</p>
<p>She’s a nut job.</p>
<p>I still say take those babies now! Get them into a stable nurturing environment without all the chaos. This is such a no-win situation. :(</p>
<p>Well, lets see what wisdom Dr. Phil will spout today!!</p>
<p>I live in OC…they could safe haven a couple with me. I’d simply wrap them gently, and hold them close rocking ever so gently. Just soothe them and let them feel safe and loved. They are beautiful babies.</p>
<p>The babies really are beautiful, aren’t they? I watched one of the radar online videos and, as you said, justaMom, it made me nervous. The level of noise and chaos is inappropriate for the babies and the older children. I wonder whether the nurses’ claims are true, that Nadya has been spending almost no time with her children.</p>
<p>How about the video where she is laying on the bed talking about the sperm donor? She is acting so coy, like she really wants to say who he is even when she says she will never tell. All she wants is the attention, to be another Angelina!</p>
<p>Looks like Dr. Phil has washed his hands of her.</p>
<p>^What’s happened?</p>