Official Election 2008 thread

<p>Hillary, Hillary, Hillary</p>

<p>I am all for Hillary For President, and Obama for Vice President. I think we have given enough opportunity to the Old Boys Club to show what they can do. It now the time to give the Old Gals Club the opportunity to also show what they can do. The time is right for a female president. We need a change of direction for the country. </p>

<p>If something is happening to me, God help the person trying to prevent my mom from getting to me (I borrowed this from a poster I don’t remember). That is the way I see Hillary, taking charge of what the country needs. </p>

<p>I am all for having good health insurance for everyone, good schools for both poor and rich kids, some form of vocational training for people not interested in college, good policies to protect the environment(lots of green everywhere), uncomplicated tax system(to close down all these tax shelters), good vacation time for new mothers and fathers and for everyone, etc.</p>

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<p>Any candidate who is so easily offended probably doesn’t have thick enough skin for a Presidential race. I use the nicknames as a tribute to Karl Rove. One of his lasting contributions to American politics is the artform of defining the opponent through constant repetition of a negative meme. I’m just trying to do my part.</p>

<p>BTW, the Crossdresser ran a full-page ad in the New York Times today attacking Senator Clinton. The Clinton campaign provided the following media response from spokesman Phil Singer:</p>

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<p>" am all for having good health insurance for everyone, good schools for both poor and rich kids, some form of vocational training for people not interested in college, good policies to protect the environment(lots of green everywhere), uncomplicated tax system(to close down all these tax shelters), good vacation time for new mothers and fathers and for everyone, etc."</p>

<p>Are you prepared to pay the percentage of your income that would be required to do those things?</p>

<p>I actually thought the term “Hildebeast” was pretty funny. I just heard it this week. It is probably no more or less offensive than Crossdresser to some.</p>

<p>I also heard someone suggest that Hillary use the title of a famous Elton John song (1974 Caribou Album) as her campaign theme song. Now, that would be pretty offensive to some as well. However, if it was repeated enough, it would probably do the job of defining the candidate in a negative light. :)</p>

<p>Are you prepared to pay the percentage of your income to fund a never-ending war in Iraq to the tune of $100 billion a year?</p>

<p>The cost of the Iraq war would fund universal health care for all Americans. Which would you rather have? Troops in Iraq? Or universal health care?</p>

<p>Isokkermom,
we can stop subsidizing the oil companies, THEY DON’T NEED THE SUBSIDIES. The money spent on the war in IRAQ could have been used to help TAX paying AMERICANS get better health care. Nothing good will come out of this war, we will be paying for years. Eventually, taxes would have to be increased to finance the debt incured by the war. I believe that an increase in tax SHOULD ONLY be used for services for those PAYING the taxes not BUILDING EMBASSIES in Iraq that will not be used by anyone.</p>

<p>There are so many cuts we can do to raise money for all these projects.</p>

<p>tega,
maybe you are addressing your comment to zoosermom?
If not, I have no idea what you are talking about.</p>

<p>Cost of War: $451B and rising by the second (literally)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Cost-of-War/Cost-of-War-3.html[/url]”>http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Cost-of-War/Cost-of-War-3.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The War In Iraq Costs
$451,523,253,824</p>

<p>Instead, we could have hired
7,824,952
additional public school teachers for one year. </p>

<p>we could have insured
270,373,252
children for one year.</p>

<p>I and my contribution $$ are waiting for Al Gore to announce.</p>

<p>Gore would have only jumped in if Hillary had faltered, IMO.</p>

<p>He represents the same basic block of support: mainstream, establishment Democrats.</p>

<p>Without a strong national defense – of which Iraq is part – we may actually NEED all of that health care.</p>

<p>How many billions did 9/11 cost? What about the damage to our financial systems?</p>

<p>Remember, “It’s the economy, stupid?” </p>

<p>Well, it’s National Security, friends.</p>

<p>Without national security, nothing else matters – health care, taxes, education, social security, gay marriage, the environment – nothing.</p>

<p>Except (and we have discussed this ad nauseum, SJ, so I don’t know why either of us bother;))…we have only worsened national security after spending $451+B. </p>

<p>That’s a hard pill to swallow.</p>

<p>Sorry Isokkermon, my coment was directed at zoosermom.</p>

<p>interesteddad, No, Gore has deep support among progressives. He is no longer the DLC guy he used to be. Hillary is still DLC (although DLC has faded out).</p>

<p>Gore may very well announce around November. If so, I think he would have no trouble winning the nomination. Take a look at some of the speeches he’s given in the last 4 years (CSPAN archives), not even on the environment, watch the ones on constitutional issues.</p>

<p>Do you think Gore could start fundraising and building an Iowa and New Hampshire ground game in November with less than 60 days before the first caucus and only 90 days before the Tsunami Tuesday primaries? He’d have to raise a ton of money fast with two candidates having already sucked up $150 million or so from the available pool.</p>

<p>I don’t see it myself. He’s already said that he’s leaning towards endorsing a candidate in the primaries. (I hope his political instincts are better this time than endorsing Dean four weeks before he got dropkicked from the race in 2004).</p>

<p>Well, here’s one Democrat (Bill Bradley) that is not going to be supporting Hillary. From Carl Bernstein’s book in an excerpt about HillaryCare:</p>

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<p>Sounds a bit like “my way or the highway” doesn’t it?</p>

<p>interesteddad, A Gore announcement would unleash a deluge of contributions from people like me. I think he could compete very effectively, even if he was at a financial disadvantage. </p>

<p>His endorsement of Dean had quite a bit to do with Dean’s fall. For one thing, it motivated the other Democratic candidates to band together against him. Kerry supporters even set up a shadowy group for the purpose of funding very ugly negative ads. The media also went after Dean after he stated on Hardball, in Dec., 2003, I believe, in response to a question from Chris Matthews that he would break up the media conglomerates. But the main reason that Dean’s campaign died was that there were serious problems with key campaign staff, and a great deal of infighting.</p>

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<p>Right. Obama’s Communications Director Robert Gibbs was responsible for that hideous Osama bin Laden smear ad against Dean:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1DqOwP3Xzc[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1DqOwP3Xzc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Obama didn’t hire Gibbs to give tea parties. I expect Obama to go visciously negative against Clinton before the campaign is over. He tried to start out negative with that 1984 attack ad that his internet consultants created.</p>

<p>And, of course, Dean’s campaign manager is running Edwards campaign this time around. I think that’s why Edwards has taken the hard left turn with all the rousing anti-business rhetoric.</p>

<p>ff:</p>

<p>Not that you would be interested, but Clinton has spoken at some length on the mistakes she made and the lessons she learned from the 1993 experience.</p>

<p>C-SPAN ran several hours of historical 1993 programming a couple weeks ago including Hillary’s testimony before Congress and one of the huge regional forums she conducted. It was really eye-opening to see it with the benefit of hindsight. The resentment of a woman in charge of policy was dripping from many of the Senators – lots of “first lady” jokes. Clinton knew her stuff, which the Senators didn’t appreciate either. What she didn’t know how to do was kiss the big pasty white behinds of US Senators. She understands the importance of that now. That’s why you want a President with experience.</p>

<p>NYM, I take Gore at his oft-repeated word that he’s not running. Furthermore, I’ve seen the Gore-alternative polling numbers…her merely dissipates the anti-Hillary vote and she still cruises. More important than $$$ (speaking as an ex-staffer) is the complete lack of available experienced staff…<em>everyone</em> who is <em>anyone</em> has already signed on with other campaigns, all that is left is some pretty dreggy dregs.</p>

<p>And I know how that plays. I was at least two, maybe three levels higher than I should have been on John Anderson’s campaign in 1980. Most of the pros were very reluctant to risk tarnishing future prospects by working for a non-Democrat.</p>

<p>For 20 points–and no using Google–who was John Anderson’s running mate in 1980? I still regret that we narrowly lost the White House…I was so looking forward to relocating back to D.C.</p>