Official Election 2008 thread

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<p>Bob Shrum? What would this be? His 9th losing Presidential campaign?</p>

<p>I can’t say that I’ve been impressed with Axelrod. He did a nice job with Duval Patrick in the Mass. governors race, but he seems to think that a gubenatorial campaign will work in the big leagues. Considering the resources they’ve had, the campaign has underpeformed IMO. Lots of mistakes and missed opportunities. </p>

<p>Trippi’s operation has just been a mess. I can’t get over the inconsistency of proclaiming electability in the south with the Nadaresque rhetoric. But, that was always going to be a steep uphill climb against two larger-than-life candidates sucking all the oxygen out of the room. Still, the bungling has been significant. How in the world do you tell your candidate to say that the war on terror is just a bumper sticker slogan? Can’t Trippi see that coming back like a knockout punch from the Republicans?</p>

<p>Both Axelrod and Trippi have apparently encouraged their candidates to attack the Democratic Party, which makes no sense to me whatsoever in a primary.</p>

<p>Not just the top, but the folks available for political director, communications, advance, all the inside baseball positions.</p>

<p>Shrum? Bob Shrum is someone, were I proconsul, that I would draft into the Army and send to man an automated weather station in the middle of Greenland.</p>

<p>Gen. Wesley Clark has just endorsed Hillary Clinton for President.</p>

<p>This is important for three reasons:</p>

<p>a) He is a potential VP nominee</p>

<p>b) He is a leading Iraq war critic</p>

<p>c) He has a rabid following among the netroots crowd that hates Hillary Clinton.</p>

<p>Interesting that Clinton trots out the endorsement of a highly-visible 4-star General the day after the Republican Crossdresser runs a full page ad in the NY Times attacking her support for the military.</p>

<p>I get the impression that the Clinton campaign has their rapid response ammunition for each anticipated attack stacked up and waiting to deploy as necessary.</p>

<p>Clear the decks, y’all! Alan Keyes is getting into the Presidential race! </p>

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<p>Keyes will liven up the Republican debates! If Grandpa Fred ever gets up out of his recliner and shows up at a debate, I hope they put him right between Ron Paul and Alan Keyes. The old dude will get so confused, he’ll probably just stand there and blurt out some of his favorite downhome bromides like, “the flies start buzzin’ in the summertime”.</p>

<p>Let’s keep in mind that this is what Giuliani is responding to:</p>

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<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost;
Note the source – Arianna Huffington</p>

<p>Here’s more on Giuliani’s ad:</p>

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<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/09/15/new_giuliani_ad_accuses_clinton_of_attacking_generals_character/[/url]”>http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/09/15/new_giuliani_ad_accuses_clinton_of_attacking_generals_character/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You can see the NY Times ad here: <a href=“http://bp0.blogger.com/_Xn_O-mM2sFk/RurB0Pf0PsI/AAAAAAAAAxQ/CqrB7DkNa7M/s1600-h/nytad_full.gif[/url]”>nytad_full.gif&lt (image);

<p>I think it’s especially galling of the Democrats, especially Hillary Clinton, to impugn General Petraeus’ integrity after voting UNANIMOUSLY to confirm him 9 months ago.</p>

<p>Rather than pull snippets, why not take advantage of the internets go to Clinton’s actual questionioning of Petraeus and Crocker?</p>

<p><a href=“http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=282410&&[/url]”>http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=282410&&&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>BTW, as she pointed out with the full violence and casualty figures from Iraq this year, she was absolutely correct in pointing out that the two Bush administration salesmen were presenting an incredibly rosey picture, as Gen. Petraeus himself tacitly acknowledged in responding to Clinton by saying that his job is simply to carry out policy set by Pennsylvania Avenue.</p>

<p>The entire Bush policy towards Iraq requires a “willful suspension of disbelief”.</p>

<p>BTW, 40% of Americans polled late this week believe that Petraeus was spinning for the administration. An additional 24% say they aren’t sure. Only 36% of Americans believe he was not simply spinning.</p>

<p>It should also be noted that Clinton stopped far short of what Petraeus’ commanding officer Admiral Fallon told him: “You’re an a$$-kissing little chicken-s–t, and I hate that…”</p>

<p>Confirmation != coronation.</p>

<p>Who knows what is really going on between Fallon and Petraeus? That particular quote is attributed to “some Pentagon sources” or something like that. Here is another analysis of their relationship.</p>

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<p>They come from different branches of the military, with different cultures. In any case, I don’t really take issue between two senior officers having a disagreement – I imagine that they can become quite heated. I do think it is quite hypocritical of HC to attach General Petraeus after voting to authorize action in Iraq and then voting to confirm him. How does she think she could garner the respect of other senior officers when she accuses one of lying on national TV? They may have differences between themselves on a variety of issues, but I imagine they stand together when one is attacked by Washington politicians.</p>

<p>I dunno. If I were a General and thought the next President of the United States might call me out on national TV, I might think twice before delivering an AKLCS whitewashed report.</p>

<p>It wasn’t just Clinton. Members of both committees, on both sides of the aisle hammered Petraeus. He said he didn’t know how much resistance there was in Congress to the Bush policy in Iraq and that he wasn’t expecting it.</p>

<p>Surprised him? Hello!</p>

<p>Look, nobody forced George Bush to make Petraeus the salesman for a failed national policy in Iraq, giving him full credit not for “the Bush plan” or “the Cheney plan” or “the Condi plan”, but for “the Petraeus plan” (which as you recall, was sold as a six month escalation to achieve political progress). Nobody forced Petraeus and the Bush administration to continue thumbing their noses at the clearly expressed will of the US Congress.</p>

<p>Petraeus was not testifying only as a military man, but as the next in a long line of administration toadies who have sat at those tables and demanded a “willful suspension of disbelief” from Congress and the American people. As usual for adminstration toadies, he played a shell game, ignoring the last rationale, substituting new and different “benchmarks”, all in an effort to kick the can down the road for another Friedman Unit. To be honest, I’m surprised Senators didn’t come up out of their chairs and start hitting him across the witness table.</p>

<p>“They come from different branches of the military, with different cultures.”</p>

<p>How does this differ from what Fallon says - that he is an A.K.L.C.S.?</p>

<p>And what would be new about a political stooge of the President lying on tv? You do remember what Petraeus wrote (on behalf of the President) in 2004, don’t you?</p>

<p>"The institutions that oversee them are being reestablished from the top down. And Iraqi leaders are stepping forward, leading their country and their security forces courageously in the face of an enemy that has shown a willingness to do anything to disrupt the establishment of the new Iraq.</p>

<p>In recent months, I have observed thousands of Iraqis in training and then watched as they have conducted numerous operations. Although there have been reverses – not to mention horrific terrorist attacks – there has been progress in the effort to enable Iraqis to shoulder more of the load for their own security, something they are keen to do. The future undoubtedly will be full of difficulties, especially in places such as Fallujah. We must expect setbacks and recognize that not every soldier or policeman we help train will be equal to the challenges ahead.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, there are reasons for optimism. Today approximately 164,000 Iraqi police and soldiers (of which about 100,000 are trained and equipped) and an additional 74,000 facility protection forces are performing a wide variety of security missions. Equipment is being delivered. Training is on track and increasing in capacity. Infrastructure is being repaired. Command and control structures and institutions are being reestablished.</p>

<p>Most important, Iraqi security forces are in the fight – so much so that they are suffering substantial casualties as they take on more and more of the burdens to achieve security in their country."</p>

<p>He could have read his 2004 article to Congress last week, and it would have sounded exactly the same. I happen to think Petraeus is a pretty smart fellah, which is prescisely why I think he is an A.K.L.C.S and a liar. Like Colin Powell, Petraeus has a track record for mendacity, and it ain’t pretty.</p>

<p>It’s no wonder that people like Giuliani are trying to reframe the debate away from any honest scrutiny of Petraeus’ testimony. The methodology that was used to demonstrate a delta in sectarian violence is a crock. It’s entirely subjective, based on guessing whether an unknown killer’s motives were “purely” sectarian or not. No wonder the CIA and GAO weren’t even informed of the methodology.</p>

<p>Now, here’s a word from a veteran of the Iraqi war:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_iraq_veteran_from_ny_urges_clinton_schum.html[/url]”>http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2007/09/16/2007-09-16_iraq_veteran_from_ny_urges_clinton_schum.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>SJmom: I am missing something in your logic. If I vote to confirm someone, it is a measure of my expectation that they will execute their role competently. If they then provide a report that is demonstrably at odds with other data - why is it hypocritical to challenge that report? Voting for confirmation does not mean waiving the right (and obligation) to any future evaluation of actual performance, does it?</p>

<p>And here are words from other veterans:</p>

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<p>While the seven soldiers were composing their article, one of them, Staff Sgt. Jeremy A. Murphy, was shot in the head. He was flown to a military hospital in the United States and is expected to survive.</p>

<p>Staff Sgt. Yance T. Gray, 26, and Sgt. Omar Mora, 28, died in Iraq Sept. 9 when the five-ton cargo truck in which they were riding overturned.</p>

<p>While we’re at it, let’s look at the opinions of former Reagan Sec./Navy Jim Webb, former Admiral James Sestak, Iraq vet and former Capt. of 82nd Airborne with Bronze Star, and Command Sergeant Major Tim Walz…all elected to Congress as anti-Iraq war Democrats. Oh, and former generals Wesley Clark, Anthony Zinni, and John Batiste. There’s plenty of informed opinion counter to that of Petraeus; in no way is his opinion something to be bowed down to and accepted uncritically as the Busheviks would have us do.</p>

<p>Look - Petraeus has a track record. He lies in public in order to find favor with his superiors. Just read his 2004 article. He’s not the first (nor was Colin Powell), nor will he be the last. He’s just the one who happens to currently have a public face. </p>

<p>Either that, or he is really, REALLY dumb. I have trouble believing that - his command of factoids is too facile.</p>