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<p>5 was right @proguitar. I think it was D. I remember choosing D, and they went in order. A was 1 B was 2. C was 3. D was 5. E was 6? I can’t exactly remember, but 5 probably was D.</p>

<p>@proguitar04 the choice was D. I believe I chose D.</p>

<p>@Chrysanthemum14‌ your right. The correct sections are the ones you put. The Beth Sullivan passage count. The top 40 songs writing section count. The math with the paint bucket, funny complex looking shape that had 12 + 4sqrt3 as the solution count.</p>

<p>The possible experimental sections you guessed right. I believe. </p>

<p>You @Chrysanthemum14‌ </p>

<p>@sechukie‌ - thanks! I’ll update the list in a couple pages (don’t want to spam the thread).</p>

<p>On a side note, is it typical to have this many experimental section? As an SAT newbie, I wasn’t expecting it to be like this. It looks like there might be about ten experimental sections? </p>

<p>For the tedious and boring answer, I put something that said like “it is unnecessary”. Anyone else get this?
And does anyone remember the tick writing question?</p>

<p>@Tkat97‌ @onefiftythreeam‌ @sechukie‌ im pretty sure the answer to the “tedious” question is that “punctuation is not always necessary”. The whole passage was saying that writers do not need punctuation to write good work and that punctuation is not essential, no where did it say that it was “tedious” or boring.I could be wrong though, just offering my opinion.</p>

<p>@emersonballer21‌ </p>

<p>The actual passage:</p>

<p>Punctuation. Do we need it and what difference does it make to our ability to understand what people say? Well, judging by the first sentence that I wrote (and, indeed, this one) I would have to say – it depends. Punctuation is just one word, and a noun at that, and has no business forming a complete sentence, which is of course what I did.</p>

<p>But I have many more notable compatriots in my use of single-word sentences. Dickens for starters. And there I go again, a sentence without a verb – twice within one paragraph – as well as the use of “and” and “but” to begin two of them.</p>

<p>Dickens famously started his novel Bleak House with the sentence “London. Michaelmas term lately over and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln’s Inn Hall.” The second paragraph begins “Fog everywhere” and carries on with numerous present participles and no auxiliary verb. So we have “Fog creeping into the cabooses of collier-brigs” and “fog cruelly pinching the fingers and toes of his shivering little 'prentice boy on deck” but not one “is” or “was” amongst them. And it doesn’t matter. In fact it makes the opening passage all the more powerful. Fog sits around the Lord Chancellor and entraps, both metaphorically and literally, many of the main characters in the novel. What better way to start than with that: “Implacable November weather.”</p>

<p>Ah, I hear you say, Dickens knew the rules and was deliberately subverting them. This may be right but it also shows that the rules which govern our punctuation are not so hard and fast. In a research document written by the Qualification Curriculum and Assessment authority, called Grammar for Writing, the organisation discovered that the best candidates probably used more one-word sentences than anyone else. QCA looked at how one could improve from being an F-grade candidate to a C and a C-grade candidate to an A.</p>

<p>F-grade candidates wrote long sentences joined by connectives, what we use to call “a trip on the 207 bus”, so called because pupils would write sentences like “We got on the 207 bus and Ranjit sat in front and then Cherry got on and we talked until west Ealing” and so on. The punctuation is correct but uninspiring. To overcome this problem pupils are taught clauses. So you might get a sentence like: “We all got on the 207 bus, which was going to Ealing.” This, provided you sustained the use of clauses, should get you a grade C. But to get a grade A you had to break the rules and write verbless sentences.</p>

<p>The author of the report had to acknowledge that this was something to do with the reader-writer relationship and had nothing to do with accurate punctuation at all. To write well you had, almost, to hear how the reader would respond. You would have to, perhaps literally, say the words out loud and see if they sounded OK. You would have to imagine if the picture you had conjured in your head would translate into another person to see if the image would resonate.</p>

<p>And this has much more to do with how punctuation was originally conceived than a book of rules that can never change.</p>

<p>One of the main sources of punctuation was as lines for actors reading aloud. Many children punctuate in this manner. They hear a sentence and then put in commas for a short pause and full stops for a long one and if it’s in between they might put a semi-colon. I punctuate that way largely myself.</p>

<p>I know you have to put commas around clauses and that a colon goes at the beginning of a list but I get BORED putting marks everywhere I think they should go. My word processor screams green every time it thinks I need a comma but sometimes it’s wrong and at others I think – WHY BOTHER. And – apologies to the elite of French writers battling to save its perilous existence – don’t even get me started on the semi-colon. (Although if it allows us to breathe a little more easily mid-sentence then why shouldn’t it?) It’s easy to get hung up on the niceties and scorn at errors in a letter, but punctuation changes. It’s the meaning that matters. Right?</p>

<p>The author explicitly states that she finds it tedious and boring. She never implies that it UNDERMINES creativity. She simply implies that it isn’t really necessary in order for someone to understand the meaning.</p>

<p>REALLY QUICKLY I know an intense debate over CR is happening
but for math
what was the perimeter of the figure with like 8 fourths of a cirlcle? it was the last q in one of the math sections?
i got 16 pi but want to make sure because I realized it was perimeter not area like 30 sec before time ended.
also for the other figure, was it like 12 + 4 root 3
thanks amigos</p>

<p>@HKcollegequest‌
That might have been an experimental math problem. I don’t remember it.
For the second question it was either (12 + 4 root 3)s or (16 + 4 root 3)s</p>

<p>Yeah I got 12 but was unsure and didn’t have time to check at the end. @Chrysanthemum14
Thanks!!
ALSO since I have someone’s attention :slight_smile:
There was a writing question with a choice that said veterinarians prefer “to not eat” and the quoted was underlined. I put no error for that question - did you too?</p>

<p>Its really obvious that its undermining creativity. From the passge from the book to the actors, punctuation doesn’t allow one to freely express oneself. Boring and tedious is the easy answer but not the correct one.</p>

<p>@Tkat97‌ Where can you get proof from the passage that its undermining creativity?</p>

<p>“you would have to imagine if the picture conjured in your head…” -clear evdience</p>

<p>The author used the example with the children to show that punctuation is sometimes useful…it’s not always boring or tedious but it tends to undermine creativity :)</p>

<p>WRITING QUESTION ANYONE ??? pls help</p>

<p>and omg guys its so obvious that it’s tedious. </p>

<p>Concerning the topic of whether punctuation was necessary, the author said “it depends”. He didnt make such a static statement thats its always tedious or always boring. But it tends to suppress free expression.</p>

<p>ugh i need to give up thid debate because its literally giving me anxiety.</p>

<p>what did you guys say for the homeopathy ones i forgot the questions</p>