<p>great stats! congrats!</p>
<p>That must be the highest SAT score for an african in the country – that’s something to be proud of! Many congrats :)</p>
<p>Congrats davidborot!!!</p>
<p>I love how people are congratulating davidborot him for his scores just because he is African and if an accepted Asian had the same scores, nobody on this thread would give a flying ****.:mad:</p>
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You must be deluded to think that the fact that davidborot was an African wasn’t at least a major factor in pushing him from the possibly deferred pile to the accepted pile. His scores/grades, while impressive, are not unique among the overall Princeton ED pool therefore his race did play a role, however small or big, in getting him in to Princeton.</p>
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If that isn’t blatantly racist, then I don’t know what is. I’m sure DavidBorot is proud of the fact that he just got accepted to Princeton and has sky-high academic credentials, not because he was an African American who did all that.:rolleyes:</p>
<p>I’m deeply offended by the immaturity displayed by the users of the Princeton forum. Grow up and leave your racial prejudices aside!!!</p>
<p>Yeah, that was quite uncalled for, WindSlicer</p>
<p>Prejudice? Look at facts. African Americans do not score well as a group on the SAT. Sure, you can be PC and ignore this, but some people actually speak what they think. I was congratulating the guy for overcoming the cultural bias that is innate in the SAT and doing very well, nothing more. </p>
<p>Getting a 2380 as an African is a much greater feat than getting a 2380 as an Asian. You don’t know the half of the pressures that are present in their culture, and for this man to overcome them is amazing to me. Take a few sociology classes before you go throwing accusations, please.</p>
<p>If you want to twist my congratulations into something else, go for it.</p>
<p>Cultural bias in the SAT? Give me a break…</p>
<p>So it’s just a coincidence that every year African Americans, as a group, score lower than Caucasians and Asians, as a group?</p>
<p>SAT is getting better at eliminating various passages that could be considered culturally biased, but considering those that write the SAT, it is innate.</p>
<p>A more pressing factor, however, is the stigma that African Americans have to overcome (and which was the focus of the previous post) concerning education. I do appreciate how you isolated a single point without referring to the rest of the post. I thought Princeton hopefuls would be more adept at debate, or even just academic conversation, but perhaps my expectations were too high.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with WindSlicer…though I also believe that it is quite unPC and not really warranted in this thread.</p>
<p>In the end though, what he said was wrong…but he had the right intentions. Some people can’t organize their thoughts the way others can, and just say something the first way it comes to their mind. Not that I am accusing WS of this, but that post falls into that category. His intentions were not cruel, but rather, gratifying and congratulating. That is what matters, not the way it was said.</p>
<p>P.S. Is being Jewish considered being a URM?</p>
<p>“the stigma that African Americans have to overcome…concerning education.”</p>
<p>Is there some racial stereotyping going on here, or is it just me? That’s a pretty broad generalization, and if I happened to be black I’d be offended…</p>
<p>All the reasons that blacks score lower than whites and asians are socioeconomic, not “cultural.” Hispanics generally score about the same as blacks, but they are not a part of African American culture. How does that jive with your “cultural bias against blacks” theory? According to recently released data, the average asian or white person earns almost twice as much as the average black or hispanic person. Don’t you think that has anything at all to do with these people groups’ respective SAT scores?</p>
<p>Windslicer, notice how I refrained from making insulting comments about your intelligence while I wrote that? Learn a few lessons…</p>
<p>Well, first off, I didn’t insult your intelligence in any way. I commented on the way you made your comment.</p>
<p>If you don’t think there are stigmas concerning African American men excelling in education (I’m not quite sure where you were going with the accusation of generalization – to the general public or Africans), I don’t know quite how to respond. It’s quite obvious to me when every AA post tries to bash them for getting into top tier schools. I will admit that I have a lot of anecdotal evidence that confirms this also, but I believe its universal (but if there are statistics/research refuting this, I will take a look). And I don’t think the wage issue has ANYTHING to do with the SAT. However I believe both issues have the same foundation – cultural and socioeconomic issues.</p>
<p>I agree the socioeconomic issues are very prevalent when considering this, I was just referring to the African American culture which also contributes to this. This situation, of course, is not black and white (pardon the inadvertent pun) but there are a great amount of factors.</p>
<p>I didn’t want to create a huge fight, but when someone calls me a racist I’m going to be offended.</p>
<p>Sorry for the editing.</p>
<p>I misunderstood your comment about the stigma. I thought you meant that African Americans themselves had a stigma about education.</p>
<p>Of course the prosperity of a student’s family will affect his/her SAT scores! If my parents have money to afford a good school, a prive tutor, SAT prep books, etc., I will score higher! But if I grow up in the ghetto with basically no motivation or options, I am going to score lower. But that is solely a matter of circumstances, not of race. Saying that the SAT is biased towards blacks is a euphemism for saying that blacks are less intelligent than whites. The real problem behind Mexican and African American people scoring lower than whites and asians, of course, is their relative poverty. Well-off black student do not score any lower than their white counterparts, and poor white students do not score any lower than their black counterparts.</p>
<p>I challenge you to give me one example of an SAT question that is biased towards African Americans.</p>
<p>What a great stats for any race for that matter.
davidborot
Princeton is lucky to have you. congtats.</p>
<p>That’s exactly why affirmative action should be based on economic adversity, not on race.</p>
<p>^^^^That is exactly what I have been saying on these boards all along! thank you, superpig!</p>
<p>I’ll admit I misused the term ‘cultural bias’ and retract that sentiment. My main points were towards socioeconomics and society’s stigma towards African Americans. </p>
<p>All I was trying to get at is this guy’s accomplishment is very laudable (I think anyone who achieved 99%+ did an amazing job). My comment was in no way racist and I’ll stand by it. I recall reading something about lack of African American 2400s and that’s what I responded to. My comment was congratulatory and it being called ‘immature’ by evil<em>asian</em>dictator was very offending.</p>
<p>And I’m all for an economically based AA.</p>
<p>I think congratulations should be deserved for anybody with that kind of application, omitting all the cultural differences.</p>
<p>Couldn’t agree more, olivia!
That definitely needed to be said.</p>
<p>Jews are an ORM.</p>