I hear quite a bit of bitterness from parents when their kid did not get into the schools they had been hoping for or had been expecting to get into. And it’s not just here at CC. It’s also from parents in my kids’ schools and from parents in my neighborhood. Parents who have very high stats kids and parents whose kids are not that high stats/interesting but the parents don’t have an accurate read on them. They are all really hurting because the kid is hurting.
Hope that the parents don’t get stuck. I’ve seen this happen too. It makes it very difficult for the kids to begin to move forward.
While a wouldn’t call it a lottery, the holistic admissions process isn’t a science and none of us know what the entire application consisted of and what admissions wants/needs for the incoming class.
I felt you! My son’s essays are extremely outstanding -everyone said so! and 14APs. Only one B on one AP course. ECs and leadership are amazing too. ACT 35! The kid in his school with much lower performance got in, which proved race discrimination in the college admission again. My S is a Chinese Boy! That’s ALL!
My Asian classmates who were admitted to a number of schools including NYU Stern, Berkeley, and UCLA won’t follow @cdlyw where that road leads. Neither will the 28% of students in the class of 2019 who identify as Asian.
If you want to argue that Asians get the short end of the affirmative action stick, fine, but the list of schools that would be better examples is long.
I want to make sure I’m understanding your point correctly. Asian-Americans are 5.6% of the US population. Asian-Americans are 28.2% of UChicago’s current freshman class. UChicago is discriminating against Asian-Americans.
@cdlyw , c’mon, you know that the Asian population in California is very high. At my middle son’s high school (over 50% Asian girls!), UCLA and Cal are attractive due to in-state tuition.
You are NOT very smart. You can’t use orange compare with apple. You should use the number “how many qualified and should accepted students” and “how many qualified and should accepted asian students” not the “whole population”. And again Berkely and UCLA 'percentage is more close to the real picture, which is more than 40%. Again,if you are accepted , this is another prove "not very smart " person got in. finished !
And how precisely do we measure that? Call up the schools and ask “How many qualified students did you reject because they were Asian?”
I’ve posted figures showing that Chicago accepts Asian-American students at 5-6x the rate you’d expect if you looked purely at demographics. The percentage of Asian-Americans at Berkeley is 2.5x what you’d expect given California’s demographics.
If you can’t compare apples to oranges, why should we compare the demographics of a public university in a state that’s 15% Asian to those of a private school in a country that’s 6% Asian?
Your last three posts have ended with “No doubt about it,” “end of the discussion!” and “finished!” I don’t feel the issue is as clear-cut as you think. Maybe - just maybe - having a 35 ACT and 14 AP classes isn’t the be-all and end-all.
Hey Homies,
Got off the UChicago waitlist yesterday afternoon (for the class of 2021). I got an email at around 3pm that my regional officer wanted to discuss my gap year plans. I answered back, he called me, and offered me a spot in the “Z list”. Always wanted to take a gap year to do community service in my home country (poor nation in South America).
I suppose the question here - which we have no way of knowing the answer to - is whether there is any sort of spoken or unspoken thought on these admission committees to the effect that the bar has simply got to be a bit higher for Asian applicants given that there are so many more excellent ones than come from non-Asian groups. If that is so, it is shameful. I hope it is not so. The implication would be that “enough is enough”, though this “enough” might be much higher than the one which once prevailed at the ivy leagues for Jewish applicants.
He already went there 317 angry back and forth posts later, we will get back on the waitlisted topic again and be none the closer to resolving this issue.
ORM’s usually feel the process is not fair and discriminates against them. Nothing anybody else can say will convince them otherwise. Their personal life experiences won’t allow them to.
URM’s usually feel the process is fair and is necessary and nothing anybody else can say will convince them otherwise. Their personal life experiences won’t allow them to
Some Whites take the ORM view and some Whites take the URM view and nothing anybody else can say will convince them otherwise. Their personal life experiences won’t allow them to
It is going to take a Supreme Court ruling to decide this matter and even then nobody will agree.
Interesting summary, @VeryLuckyParent, but you’re assuming an ORM vs URM scenario with Whites simply taking sides. Might be better to summarize with ORMs thinking they need higher stats than Whites too, if we’re generalizing.
@CCMThreeTimes Clarification. I meant some Whites like and support Affirmative action and think it is fair and some oppose it and think it is reverse discrimination
And I guess we also need to include the fact that the label, “Asians” applies to wide variety of people, like Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Indonesians, the numerous South East Asian countries, etc., to name a few. And that too, they come form both inside and outside of the United States.
I am not supporting either argument, but just clarifying why the number of people who identify as Asians is so high in universities…while, on the other hand, while the demography of a state is taken, they’re more specific, so that might lead to a few discrepancies. (As otherwise, I believe that such high numbers shouldn’t be possible).
But anyway, contemplating about this wouldn’t suit the nature of discussion intended for this thread, and even of the race factor does exist, we can never say anything, as we all know, the admission process is a crapshoot (something which I kind of have come to dislike, as there’s too much of randomness, but oh well, have to deal with it, as it’s just how it works :)) ), and it would be best to keep on hoping that we get a few waitlist admits by Monday.
Just so you know, my son got in Berkely and UCLA also because they don’t put too much weight on races. That’s why Their percentage is closer to real picture. Lots of addmission officers admited there is race discrimination in the process with their friends in person. I knew some school’s admission officers. Yes, I agree that the admission process is a crapshoot.
Your son wasn’t accepted to a university he wanted to attend, and you’re disappointed. That’s perfectly normal, and understandable. But 50% of students accepted to Chicago from my school have been Asian. The student body is nearly 30% Asian, and this year’s class will likely be similar.
The college admissions process is hard to make sense of at times, and to a considerable extent it is random. But Chicago accepted 10% of students during the EA round, and 4% of regular applicants. That means 90% and then 96% of two highly qualified applicant pools weren’t offered places. That means some difficult choices, and the students who were accepted had to really catch a reader’s eye with each component of their applications. Sometimes, good students fare poorly in this process, and will do better at schools where admission is largely stats-based. Your son was fortunate enough to be admitted to Berkeley and UCLA, and I’m sure he’ll succeed at whichever school he chooses. If you let Chicago go, he will too, and you can both lead happier lives over the next four years.
finished !
317 angry back and forth posts later, we will get back on the waitlisted topic again and be none the closer to resolving this issue.