Official visit advice while "in season"?

My S27 has been going through the athletic recruiting process for track/XC over the past year (mostly D3 but a few high academic D1 schools) and has schools of interest in different locations around the US (most one or more flights away). Over the summer he’s done a lot of (successful, for all that he’s heard back on) prereads and has been getting some offers of OVs for the fall. Since he runs XC, and likely has only two weekends from late Aug through the end of Oct that he won’t be racing, scheduling things to work with the ED1 deadlines is difficult to put it mildly. Most of those visits are Sunday-Monday, which helps, but with a reasonably challenging senior schedule (5 “solids” including 4 APs), I am worried about the trade off both athletically and academically of making a lot of visits.

If you’ve gone through the process, how many did your kid do, and how did they space them?

How did they deal with physical recovery from a lot of tiring travel and making up the work they missed while in season?

Did you send your athlete by themself (it seems at least one of his schools would prefer having a parent along), and if so, how did the ground transportation from the airport to the college work?

If your athlete was in season, how did they balance working out with the team vs. their own prescribed workouts from the home coach?

Sorry for so many questions but thanks for any advice! You’ve all been so helpful in the past!

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These are all excellent questions. It’s definitely a challenge to manage all this without impacting the XC season too much.

We limited it to 3 OVs and had a hard rule that they had to be completed two weeks before championship season started. For us that meant the window ended roughly mid-Oct. This wasn’t too challenging as most of the schools of interest wanted to have things figured out around that time.

This was in the before times when there was a 5 OV limit, so we wanted to save 1-2 in case they were needed later. We took a trip the summer prior to senior year to help filter; that’s not ideal because campus is dead, but we figured if there was going to be a hard no based on the area, environment, coaching staff, etc. it was better to find that out in the summer rather than use up an OV.

Our goal was to space them two weeks apart and one kid was able to do that; the other had two back to back weekends earlier in the season, then a final visit a few weeks later.

That’s the pattern I’ve seen from most XC kids I know (although a lot of those asked how we handled it so that’s not exactly a random sample). I think it’d be hard to do more than 3 big travel OVs in season unless one of the schools starts very early or your state meet is very late. Local OVs (within driving distance) might be easier but the experience itself can be draining too.

Recovery was an issue. We tried to reduce the density of other “stuff” around these times. Sleep was non-negotiable. The academic side was pretty easy to manage. There was dead time on the plane and they had some down time on most of the OVs to study if needed. For my kids and most of the high level runners I know the hardest thing was helping them understand that it was okay if they weren’t 100% early in the season and that they could really lock in later.

Our kids went alone. These were D1 visits so the school organized and paid for all travel and airport transfers (in some cases those were car services, in others the coach picking up). If a hotel was needed to avoid too many hours on campus the school arranged that.

We found that the approach to workouts varied by school. Our kids went with a daily training plan but the priority was running with the team whenever possible. Some coaches blocked out one of the days for the recruits to do their own workouts and another for a long run with the team. Others just had them do what the team was doing. Our approach was to adapt to whatever they did after they got back by adjusting their workouts the following week. Your coach might not be as accommodating.

@LurkerJoe and @Momofthree24 (and others) might have experience to share on this also.

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Thanks so much for the helpful advice. There is a lot of gold in here!

His championship season is pretty drawn out and starts in mid-October, but I suspect he wouldn’t need to be at his absolute best in the first round. With your two-week guideline, that might allow him to squeeze in a visit in early October. So far it looks like things are clustering in September. Unfortunately with his summer schedule we didn’t do any visiting this summer, but he has already had more in depth experiences with the campus and/or team at 3 of his possible schools, so I am hoping that he wouldn’t need to revisit those schools. The trick is going to be narrowing down the rest (many of which he hasn’t seen in person yet)!

It looks like some of that “stuff” reduction might be happening naturally - he has already communicated official visit date conflicts to the director of one of his outside activities, and she is encouraging him to take some time off from it until he can commit to it fully again in the winter. I am also going to encourage that with another time consuming outside activity as well (which will also likely conflict with a number of those visit dates). Luckily sleep is something that he is pretty adamant about - coach has drilled it into him!

I suspect the D3 schools will be different since they are mostly not paying?

His coach is very good about individually adjusting workouts, so that might be possible. S27 is very “by the book” about his workouts though, so it will be interesting to see what he does. I wonder if it might be worth a chat with his coach to see if he can offer him support for a more flexible attitude when he is visiting, so he can get more of the true experience.

Yes, I think a chat with the coach might be helpful. Our coach was fairly accommodating with this but yours might not be (to be clear, he probably would’ve preferred no visits and everyone doing their workouts precisely as scheduled, but he understood that the kids need to figure out the next step too).

I completely understand the “by the book” approach and it’s a good one. It might be the case that he can do that. But it’s not a problem in terms of training effect if he needs to adapt the schedule. Most XC runners are doing similar categories of workouts that time of year and it shouldn’t be a problem for his coach to adapt the training schedule (if he’s willing) to get the same long term training effect.

Just as an example: one of my kids missed mile repeats @ race pace to do a tempo run with the college team. The HS team was doing a tempo-type effort later that week, so my kid just did the mile repeats that day. It wasn’t ideal because it pushed it closer to a meet day and he was doing them alone. But it was 95% perfect which was good enough. The other kid did hill repeats on a college visit. The HS coach just treated that as similar to an anaerobic-type workout the team had planned for the next week and had my kid do the missed workout that day.

On the other items: yes, I think D3 visits will be different and hopefully those with experience there will chime in. On the later visit getting close to championship season, I wouldn’t have a problem with it if he doesn’t need to be 100%.

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My son also limited his official visits to 3. This forced him to say “no” to a school that had offered an official visit a little earlier than he might have, but I think that worked out to be a good thing. We live in the North East, and all three schools were drives, subways, or trains, so no flights. In addition to keeping the schedule reasonable, it was good to have 2 official visits in the pocket–just in case.

It worked out that his three visits all coincided with invitational (not championship) meets. These were two weeks apart, with the final one somewhere around the 10th of October. We figured this would more or less give a week for a decision after seeing all the schools, and two weeks to write an application (and possibly give 2 coaches chances to make other offers).

My son just skipped the first invitational (team was very strong, so coach would regularly give runners a meet off anyway), and left for the visits after the 2nd and 3rd meets. There is a definite need to be strategic about the visits. I think my son was pretty tired on the third visit, which might have affected his opinion of the school.

Since the visits coincided with race weekends, just going on runs with the college teams was fine.

Some tactical things: 1) assume that visits will be public knowledge. We tried to keep things quiet, but the first visit–including the school name–wound up being reported on mile split. We were very glad that son had been honest with the coaches ahead of time. 2) try to talk to athletes one on one during the visit. You hope it is not the case, but if there are problems you are more likely to hear about them away from the rest of the team. 3) know the official visits is a 2 way interview all week long. A sarcastic joke that lands awkwardly can cost an offer. 4) be up front with the coaches on timeline. We made our son promise to not commit without talking with us first, and he also let the coaches know that he wanted to take all his visits before making a decision. If pressed, we told our son to blame us for that. Coaches were fine with this. The coach of the first visit said he would let son know if the spot was in danger of being timed out, the coach of the third visit said he would try to arrange a last minute trip if son was being pressed for time by another team. Neither happened, but it was good to hear. 5) more than half of the coaches that recruited my son were gone before my son graduated from college. The advice we got was pick for school, program, coach—in that order.

Ultimately, I think my son wound up in the right place for him. He liked meeting the coaches and teams and seeing the schools. Telling people no was hard for my son, but a good growth experience. Coaches were all classy after the nos. As a parent, I would have been fine trusting any of the coaches with my son’s college experience. There can be more than one right decision, too.

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My D did several unofficial visits in the spring and summer as we wanted to limit in season visits. She did not want to miss any races her senior year. Based on these visits and ongoing conversations with different coaches, she was able to narrow down her choices to two by mid July. We did them two weeks apart as that’s where her schedule was open. I traveled with her to the first one as I was pretty sure this is where she would end up and I wanted to see it also. She was not allowed to run with the team(D1 rules) so she did runs on her own, which really is a great way to get a feel for the campus and surroundings. She did meals with the team and hung out with them quite a bit. At the end of the visit, she was ready to commit on the spot and I told her she had to make the other visit. She liked the second school also, but ultimately chose the first. Mom always knows!

It’s definitely an exciting time, but also a bit of a roller coaster. Enjoy it and good luck!

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It’s interesting the way this rule is treated at different programs. I heard this from some runners too but my kids ran with all the teams they visited (D1). I’m not sure if the coach wasn’t present and that made it fine, or maybe the rule or enforcement was different at the time.

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Thanks for the advice!

Wow, this is not something I would predict! Was this D1?

My kid is definitely somewhat sarcastic at times, so I appreciate this warning! In general his sense of humor is a strength, but I am not sure how someone who doesn’t know him might react!

This is a really helpful perspective. I’ve always heard of the “broken leg” test, but this really hits home. I’ve seen this happen with some of his former teammates who are in mid-major D1 programs (one of whom is transferring this year).

He really needs to start this culling process now before things get super hectic with the start of school. Did your son do the “nos” over the phone or via email, or did it depend on the level of the relationship?

Thanks for all the insights!

This sounds like an ideal situation @Momofthree ! He did have two really good visits where he got to interact with the teams in January and March but the rest of his visits were before he was much of a prospect (summer before and fall of junior year). While he met with the coaches at several of the places already, he hasn’t had much chance to interact with the teams. And then there are the ones that are just coming onto the radar.

I suspect he won’t have to miss any meets based on the schedules so far, but it does make for a hectic weekend and beginning of the week (and it means that he is going to have to temporarily drop some of his other activities that meet on Sunday to accommodate the visits)

I’m trying! It is super exciting, but also very stressful!

Those are the current rules, but perhaps there is some bending. I think if the coach isn’t present it is fine, but they were in season so coaches were at all the practices. I just asked my daughter and she said recruits never run with them.

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My son was able to do a Saturday morning run with the team (no coach) during his January visit, but he had to be done with his workout on the track before the team started theirs with the coach on the day before. He was able to watch a practice with the coach though.

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I messaged the coach and found out that if he misses Mondays he’ll generally be missing their double threshold workouts (I guess I should have known that). The coach seemed OK with him only doing one of those workouts (or maybe doing something longer in the morning?) since he’d be likely traveling in the evening on those days. I worry that will create issues, but I guess they’ll figure it out! The coach seemed very interested in exactly how many of the visits he’ll be doing (and presumably how many DTs he’ll be missing) though!

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I suspect they’ll work it out no problem once the travel details are in place. There’s a decent chance that what he does with the college team (or what he can do on his own if left to do that) can accomplish roughly the same thing as a DT even if it’s just a single workout. Maybe one visit he ends up on his own and can get pretty close to a similar stimulus as a DT, once he does a threshold type run (even if they call it something different) with the team, and once he does a totally different workout and the coach decides to tinker with the schedule a bit to have him work something in on Wed or something. Again, not perfect but good enough.

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Wow, this is not something I would predict! Was this D1?

It was certainly not something we predicted, either. The visit was to an Ivy League school.

Did your son do the “nos” over the phone or via email, or did it depend on the level of the relationship?

As a family, we felt it was reasonable to tell the coaches in the way they had been most recently communicating. That meant coaches son was talking to in-person got phone calls, coaches he was emailing with get emails, and coaches who ghosted him got nothing.

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This seems like a great idea!

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