<p>Ohio Secretary of State confirms 2004 election could have been stolen
by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
December 14, 2007</p>
<p>Ohio’s Secretary of State announced this morning that a $1.9 million official study shows that “critical security failures” are embedded throughout the voting systems in the state that decided the 2004 election. Those failures, she says, “could impact the integrity of elections in the Buckeye State.” They have rendered Ohio’s vote counts “vulnerable” to manipulation and theft by “fairly simple techniques.” </p>
<p>I read the link. Wow. Don’t they teach “journalists” how to write any more? What a dog’s breakfast of an article.</p>
<p>As for the content, it boils down to “because it’s possible, it must be true.” I’m still waiting for the smoking gun. It’s not that I don’t believe it, I just haven’t seen anything resembling proof.</p>
<p>The new Ohio Secretary of State who made the statements is a Democrat, and she wasn’t in office during the '04 election. I’m just shocked – shocked – that an elected Democrat would come up with this revelation on the eve of the '08 primary season. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence, though. Sheesh.</p>
<p>WashDad, I don’t have time for shoddy journalism either, but as for the political persuasion of the current Ohio Secretary of State, hopefully her party affiliation won’t embolden her with the shameless attitude shown by her predecesor. A person with greater integrity would have never acccepted a campaign position like he did. SOS Ralph Munro of Washington state was an excellent example of an impartial [Republican, by the way] public official who had the voters’ interest at heart, rather than that of a political party.</p>
<p>Fair enough, Razor. This time, we’ll put inadequate numbers of voting machines and broken equipment in the Republican strongholds, which we’ll also understaff. Your job afterwards will be to shut up and not complain. Though I don’t think we’re going to need that assistance this time around, actually.</p>
<p>“Don’t they teach “journalists” how to write any more? What a dog’s breakfast of an article.”</p>
<p>That assumes that a “journalist” actually wrote this. From looking at their “About” the Free Press page, it is about as fair and balanced as something coming from Ann Coulter:
<p>STUDY: VOTING SYSTEMS VULNERABLE
COLUMBUS, Ohio ? Ohio?s electronic voting systems have ?critical security failures? which could impact the integrity of elections in the Buckeye State, according to a review of the systems commissioned by Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.</p>
<p>?The results underscore the need for a fundamental change in the structure of Ohio?s election system to ensure ballot and voting system security while still making voting convenient and accessible to all Ohio voters, ? Secretary Brunner said Friday in unveiling the report. </p>
<p>?In an era of computer-based voting systems, voters have a right to expect that their voting system is at least as secure as the systems they use for banking and communication,? she said.</p>
I didn’t complain about the 2006 election being fradulent just because my side didn’t prevail. I don’t make excuses, but it seems like every time Democrats lose, it is always the system that is unfair or the boogie man kept minorities away from the polls, etc. Democrats lost the 2000 and 2004 elections fair and square; just as they one the 2006 election fair and square. </p>
<p>And I can say with certainty (meaning if I am wrong all of you can serve me crow), that the Republicans will win the Whitehouse in 2008 fair and square.</p>
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For those of you may not understand the reference, Simba is picking on me. He can be brutal.</p>
<p>So how old is this news about Ohio 2004 elections?</p>
<p>So OLD that there are now several books out in 2005 about the stealing of the elections. So OLD that even the foreign press who reported the Sec of State, Ohio in 2004 was in trouble. So Old that I am glad the GOP/W stole that election so that this party has essentially committed suicide. So Old that Gore even thanks W. So Old that I also hope the GOP wins in 2008, because their solutions will be tough and painful-Tougher and more painful than the Democratic Party can withstand.</p>
<p>W admits that proposed adjustment to defaulted subprime borrowers will result in a tax hit on the difference in the old mortgage and the new lower negotiated mortgage. Didn’t any one tell him about tax on short sale gain? Just how many foots does this guy have, besides the permanent one in his mouth.</p>
<p>A short sale is totally different than a tax hit on the difference. People that are currently doing a short sale are trying to save themselves from foreclosure. They will not be hit for tax purposes b/c the mtg is already above the re-fi… it is his not the fault of W that the nation’s 7 lending banks got greedy and undrewrote loans to people who have B, C and D paper. Also the banks made the MTA loan which many people are defaulting on because it is neg. amoritization.</p>
<p>I was thinking along the lines of stock shorts. But I stand corrected.</p>
<p>I disagree on your comment on the major banks making and underwriting this type of loan. I would say that the loans were purchased from the original loan broker, bank, Savings Bank, without doing a thorough re-examination of the paperwork. The front people, middleman, and the financiers saw what they want to see. I tried to hint to my banker brother who is at one of the majors, about the massive fraud and ethic problems-they live in their towers and don’t get to mingle with the ants.</p>
<p>Actually every mortgage must go through underwriting. In the case of the sub-prime market, it goes through 2 underwriters, the mtg broker and then the lender. I did not know of one case of fraud, however, mtg brokers deal in b,c, and d paper and they offered loans that people could qualify for a short period with no money down, the market slowed down at the exact same time these loans were coming due, if you took an MTA it would make your mtg more than what you borrowed for and in some cases by over 100k.
It is not the fault about ethics or fraud it was about true greed…nothing more nothing less</p>
<p>WashDad, I’m not sure I agree with you about King County. But I’m guessing that you’re speaking of the county Board of Elections and not the voting public per se. The King County electorate’s domination of statewide elections effectively ended with the election of Slade Gorton to the U.S. Senate in the 1990s. Gorton was the first candidate to lose the most populous region of the state, King County, but still win the [statewide] election.</p>