Only 2 Ivy League schools land a six-figure salary 10 yrs after graduation

But should that really be the differentiator - kid ftom a great background at Harvard has a great life. Kid who had to take a loan and other need - destined for the poor house.

I’m guessing it’s major related.

Back to Cornell - east to use their site -

Computer Science had a mean and median of 127/129k the last two years.

MechE - 90k and $87k

Math $88 and $82k

English $61 and $55k

Sociology $59k and $63k

I looked at humanities. Religion, classics, etc. says not enough data

But I’m guessing major plays a large part.

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Don’t forget that Harvard’s financial aid system is such that anyone who is qualifying for federal financial aid is getting much more aid from Harvard and will be going at a very low cost. Students graduate from Ivy League schools with little to no debt.

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My DD is 14 years out of undergrad, but due to her career choice, she does not make six figures. She will…but she doesn’t yet. It’s the nature of her schooling and everyone in her position takes at least 7 years to make six figures…and many take a lot longer.

And I will add, my DS does not make six figures and isn’t close. BUT his quality of life is a lot better than DDs…again due to the nature of their career choices.

Money isn’t everything.

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Selective schools have a lot of recruitment the fall of senior year for jobs, as well as for internships earlier on. I know some Brown grads who made a lot coming out of the CS major- recruited with paid flights and hotels for interviews.

Students go to selective schools for many reasons. For the kids I know, money isn’t the top motivation. I do know one who did consulting right out of Harvard but hated it and now works for a non-profit. Lots of artists, social workers, teachers, other lower paid careers.

At one point 10+ years ago 40% of Harvard grads were headed for finance, consulting etc. and it does affect the culture of a school. Measures were taken to increase the applied arts and other approaches to improve the culture which involved, admittedly, lower pay than finance. I don’t know what the current status is though.

From the article:

“Even the MBA, one of America’s most popular master’s degrees, frequently has a low or negative payoff,” the report warned.

I figured this out in 1989. Unfortunately, I was already in the Harvard MBA program (full-pay). I left during my first year for several reasons but, mostly, because the breakeven for me would have been about ten years and the rest wasn’t worth the debt. For highly-selective MBA programs, specifically, which require impressive work history, you need to calculate the delta between income prior to entry and likely income after graduation, including the two-year foregone earnings. That delta is often underwhelming.

Programs like Harvard aren’t there to help students increase their income. As I’ve posted before, the top programs are looking for people who are already successful and who will be successful without the MBA. Admissions is about bringing those future changemakers together. During an admissions tour, the rep said that applying to HBS was like applying to a bank for a loan—the more you could prove you didn’t need the loan, the more likely you were to get it. Most of my section mates weren’t there for better compensation. They were there to bring caché to their companies or ventures and for the power and reach of the network.

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But if you believe they’re not worth it, then again the data school’s report isn’t accurate. Schools like IU and ASU are showing grads earning double what they came in as.

As for the comments above that money isn’t everything, that’s a noble concept but the thread title is all about Ivy grads not making money and the concept is so interesting and titillating because most colleges and not just Ivy, measure themselves on career readiness and yes, average salaries - higher is better. And yes, most parents do too. Maybe not some of you but most.

So surely the Ivies don’t like an article like is listed above. And most parents would not like to read an article like this.

There are, of course, other studies that debunk what was posted in the initial thread - this one using ‘mid career’.

Which is right ?

https://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

This payscale report is based on self reported earnings, so there is no way to know if the data are accurate. The study also does not control for people who earned additional degrees (which the college scorecard data doesn’t do either IIRC.)

If true, maybe because students in these MBA programs are coming in with lower salaries on average than students attending M7 MBA programs? Do you have links that show they doubled their previous salaries? (I see the salary outcomes data for both programs)

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For very different reasons, the far left and the far right in our country are pushing an agenda that selective institutions are worthless, a college education is without value and expertise doesn’t matter. As with this article, there is no limit to the reindeer games that people will play with statistics to push this agenda.

Plenty of people will buy into this mindset, will make all the wrong life choices and they will continue to get angrier as they fall further and further behind.

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Any student can get a federal direct loan.

If you mean Pell grant, there are students with divorced parents who qualify for that, but not Harvard financial aid due to uncooperative or wealthy non custodial parents.

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Figuring out ‘enough’ is a worthy goal.

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I, for one, take people at their word.

Who would say they make $200K if they only make $100K?

I do agree on any survey, including initial school data, it’s only as good as the data put in. When you see an average salary but only 60% participation rate, I’m not going to assume that the other 40% are necessarily bad. Some simply don’t care enough to report. But I do agree, they probably do trend lower - and maybe some don’t report out of embarrassment.

I also know - we all live different lives. In my county, the median home price is over $800K - and with one bedroom rentals over $2K, I start to think - well everyone has to make substantial income - it’s required even for young kids today. I know it’s not the truth - but I find it hard to believe, with many cities and home prices well over half a million and even lower end cars $35K and up - I mean, I find it hard to believe that grads of elite institutions ten years down the road aren’t on average making 6 figures. But yes, maybe I do have the mindset of - the business majors or CS majors vs. the Classics majors - although I continue to read on the CC that Classics, literature, religion, philosophy and others are just as good for careers, etc.

As for MBAs, I’m a believer - was when I got mine and I am now. Admittedly, my salary after grad school didn’t go up - it went down. But I was in a tough career (outside sales where you literally door knocked) and no way I could have done it long term. I had a chat on a chair lift at a recognition event and he asked my long term path. I said marketing. He said you need an MBA - and oola here I am - and I’ve been in one industry, with long tenure - so for me it worked.

As for salaries - ASU undergrad in Carey reports a $65,839 average. ASU MBA shows $146,719.

Is it apples to apples - i.e. are bonuses in one but not the other - perhaps. But there seems to show a huge gain.

For IU, undergrad reports $76.7K and MBA $138,750

UGA shows $68K undergrad and $152K MBA.

Harvard doesn’t show a pre salary but shows a median of $175 for the MBA. I highly doubt kids coming in on average making even close to that.

Again, it might not be exactly apples to apples. Perhaps undergrad is salary only and MBA includes otherwise.

Also, you don’t know where that student did undergrad. So the person at ASU might have gone to U of A, Stanford, or Adams State…so there’s that too. And you don’t know where someone is in their career at the time.

Now - someone might be at an income level - if they’re 32 and making $125K, then maybe the MBA doesn’t make sense from a monetary POV - but I had a friend at work who was mid level, did the Michigan EMBA, and while nothing happened at work, he went to a leading EV startup where he was for 6 or 8 years until a recent layoff. He made the contact from his EMBA program.

So there are reasons beyond money to do an MBA - career pivot and other opportunities, etc. to do an MBA.

I, for one, don’t agree with the article. Other’s do and that’s fine too.

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A Harvard grad.

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I don’t know how many Massachusetts State Troopers went to an Ivy when the job only requires a high school diploma, but the job appears to have a great ROI. Perhaps the top earners pursued a bachelors, or grad degree at an Ivy.

Ha ha. I’m not buying it personally. No reason for whoever is being surveyed - and I don’t know who that is - to be dishonest.

Again I say. There is much more to quality of life than the dollar amount of your salary. Much more. I honestly don’t give two hoots how much our kids earn (or anyone else for that matter) as long as they are happy, and are self supporting. In that order.

If all you are looking at is the amount of someone’s salary,you are missing a lot.

In my opinion.

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But that’s not relevant to the topic

That’s you and I have no issue with it.

Colleges of course want to show high salaries. It keeps their myth or reputation high.

Students / parents are similar. That’s why they are chasing the elite.

It wouldn’t be the topic of articles or this thread etc if it wasn’t deemed as important to the masses - including the schools themselves which use salaries as a validation.

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Part of being “happy,” for most people (I imagine), includes being free from stress over paying for life’s necessities (and some not-really-necessities). But that doesn’t necessarily mean making a six-figure salary. Not all careers lead to a six-figure salary. Mine hasn’t (with an Ivy BA and a Ph.D. from a high-ranking public that led directly to a career in my very competitive field – I’m in my early 50s, for reference). It might not until relatively late in my career, if ever. But I’m still satisfied with my choices and much happier that I would have been had I gone the JD or MBA route.

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One of the most important parts of one’s MBA application is explaining why one wants to earn an MBA and how earning an MBA will advance that individual’s career goals.

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I won’t disagree but the sad economic reality of where I live at least is that it takes a total combined income of about $200k to be able to buy a house (plus an attendant down payment of at least $50k). Now you don’t need to be able to buy a house to be self-supporting or to have a relatively modest lifestyle, but even then you’re probably going to need a total income of around $100k to live reasonably comfortably and be able to contribute to retirement savings. Rent is insanely expensive. The other reality is that based on average early career salary levels you’re probably also going to need to have a partner or room mate to be able to live independently as it’s hard to earn that as a young single person starting out in their career.

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