OVERLAP SCHOOLS as compiled by the Fiske Guide To Colleges 2020 Edition

Pomona College (1,672 students) overlaps:

Brown
Stanford
UCal-Berkeley
Williams College
Yale
Pitzer
Harvard
Dartmouth College

Quote:

“Pomona boasts the highest four-year graduation rate of any private university–92 percent.”

5 Pens for Academics

3 Telephones for Social Life

4 Stars for Quality of Life

Strong Programs:

Economics
Mathematics
Computer Science
Neuroscience
Biology

Grinnell College (1,656 undergraduates) overlaps:

Macalester College
St. Olaf
Kenyon College
Carleton College
Colorado College
Vassar College
Williams College
Oberlin College

4.5 Pens for Academics

2 Telephones for Social Life

3 Stars for Quality of Life

Quote: “Grinnell has a policy that at least 15 percent of every freshman class will be students whose parents did not go to college.”

Strong Programs:

Economics
Computer Science
Political Science
Biology
English
Foreign Languages
Theater and Dance

Beloit College (1,320 undergraduate students) located in Wisconsin.

Overlaps:

Grinnell College
Carleton College
Macalester College
Kalamazoo College
Knox College
St. Olaf College
College of Wooster

3 Pens for Academics

3 Telephones for Social Life

4 Statrs for Quality of Life

Quote:

“Well-known anthropology program is among the best in the nation.”

Strong Programs:

Anthropology
Creative Writing
Economics
Theater & Dance
Psychology
Political Science
Health & Society

Carleton College Northfield, Minnesota (2,050 undergraduate students) overlaps:

Bowdoin College
Williams College
Amherst College
Pomona College

Swarthmore College
Macalester College
Middlebury College
Brown University

5 Pens for Academics

3 Telephones for Social Life

3 Stars for Quality of Life

Quote: “Carleton does not prepare us as well for careers as it does for entering a graduate program.”

Strengths: Biology, Chemistry, Computer Science, Geology, Math, Poly Sci/Int’l Relations, & Visual & Performing Arts

That does not seem to be a very high bar to clear. Aren’t about a third of college students first generation to college, and wouldn’t a majority of high school seniors be first generation to college if they went to college? (Though it may depend on the exact definition of first generation to college.)

"Are Ivy League schools afraid of diluting the brand name–Ivy League–if they acknowledge overlap schools beyond Stanford & MIT ? "

Why Harvard would think they’re diluting their brand because they list Amherst or Williams is beyond me. Same with Yale and say Wesleyan.

“Stanford University reports 5 Ivies as overlaps = Harvard, MIT, Duke, Yale, Penn, Princeton, Columbia, & USC.”

This is factually not right, if overlap is just number of applicants applying to both schools. More students apply to Stanford and Berkeley (UCLA probably as well) than Stanford and Duke or USC, maybe even MIT. About 17K apply to Stanford from CA, if just half of them apply to Berkeley, that’s more than most of the schools on Stanford’s overlap list. Especially the schools with ED (Duke, Penn, Columbia), no way they have more overlap than Berkeley or UCLA as many students don’t even reach Stanford RD.

“The Ivy League”, “Ivy League schools”, & “Ivies” are terms which have world wide value and respect.

In much of the world “Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, & MIT” and “HYPSM” are also well known, highly valued, & respected.

Phrases such as "a top 20 school’ or “an elite college” seem to have much less prestige & value.

Protecting a brand’s value does not necessarily equate to a judgment about the quality of other college’s and universities. Just that that brand has value, respect, & prestige worth protecting.

What does Pitzer overlap with?

Pitzer College overlaps:

Kenyon College
Bates College
Franklin& Marshall College
Occidental College
Dickinson College
Hamilton College
Scripps

UCAl-Berkeley

Quote: “Pitzer College attracts open-minded students looking for the freedom to go their own ways.”

“A national leader in turning out Fulbright Scholars.”

“The foood is awesome…”.

Ultimately, I think Yale’s brand is Yale itself. Same with Harvard. The Ivy League is the reflected glory of those two and to a lesser degree, Princeton.

Can you tell me about USC, Michigan and UMiami?

University of Miami overlaps:

USC
Tulane
NYU
Boston University
Emory

Univ. of Florida
Florida State
Univ. of Central Florida

Strong Programs:

Nursing
Finance
Psychology
Biology
Marine Science
Architecture
Music
Latin American Studies

University of Michigan overlaps:

UC-Berkeley
Illinois
Stanford
Cornell
Ohio State
Michigan State
Northwestern
UPenn

“Michigan is the only public university in the state that meets the full demonstrated need of all in-state students.”

5 Pens for Academics

3 Telephones for Social Life

3 Stars for Quality of Life

University of Southern California (USC) overlaps:

Stanford
UCLA
UC-Berkeley
NYU
Northwestern
Boston University
Cornell University
UC-San Diego

3.5 Pens for Academics

3 Telephones for Social Life

3 Stars for Quality of Life

OP, you’ve written several posts about Fiske now. I’m not trying to be a killjoy, but I can’t help but feel that if I were Fiske, I’d be annoyed that you’re giving away all this info for free. It states clearly that reproducing the book is prohibited. Is it kosher to be doing this?

Southern Methodist University (SMU) overlaps:

Vanderbilt
Texas Christian (TCU)
USC
Wake Forest (WFU)
Univ. of Miami
Univ. of Texas at Austin
Texas A&M
Baylor

3 Pens for Academics

4 Telephones for Social Life

4 Stars for Quality of Life

I encourage those with any further inquiries or interest to use the Fiske Guide To Colleges 2020.

@Publisher did you ever come across a single school that listed Haverford as a peer? I still haven’t seen a single one. I think this is such an interesting little weird bit. Ha.

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I’ll take a crack at it, for fun :slight_smile: “Peer” means at least in part, “overlap in apps”, to me.

Swarthmore, Bryn Mawr (if female), Earlham (easier admit and still Quaker), UPenn.

" It states clearly that reproducing the book is prohibited. Is it kosher to be doing this?"

I was going to post the same last thing last night, but the killjoy lindagaf beat me to it :-). You’re posting a lot of stuff free, I can see posting a couple of things as a teaser, but you’ve posted like pages of posts.

“In much of the world “Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, & MIT” and “HYPSM” are also well known, highly valued, & respected.”

So just for kicks I googled “most respected colleges” which I think are very reasonable search terms that a layperson would use and got the World rankings by THE. This would send the layperson into a frenzy:

After HMS, Oxford, Cambridge, sitting at 6 is Berkeley (ahead of YP) and at 9 UCLA!?!?!?!?? Now if you’re talking national, sure the US News has the standard hypsm well ahead of public flagships. But if you go outside the country, much of the world in your words, UCB, Michigan, UCLA would be considered more prestigious than most of the ivies.