That does not seem to be a very high bar to clear. Aren’t about a third of college students first generation to college, and wouldn’t a majority of high school seniors be first generation to college if they went to college? (Though it may depend on the exact definition of first generation to college.)
"Are Ivy League schools afraid of diluting the brand name–Ivy League–if they acknowledge overlap schools beyond Stanford & MIT ? "
Why Harvard would think they’re diluting their brand because they list Amherst or Williams is beyond me. Same with Yale and say Wesleyan.
“Stanford University reports 5 Ivies as overlaps = Harvard, MIT, Duke, Yale, Penn, Princeton, Columbia, & USC.”
This is factually not right, if overlap is just number of applicants applying to both schools. More students apply to Stanford and Berkeley (UCLA probably as well) than Stanford and Duke or USC, maybe even MIT. About 17K apply to Stanford from CA, if just half of them apply to Berkeley, that’s more than most of the schools on Stanford’s overlap list. Especially the schools with ED (Duke, Penn, Columbia), no way they have more overlap than Berkeley or UCLA as many students don’t even reach Stanford RD.
“The Ivy League”, “Ivy League schools”, & “Ivies” are terms which have world wide value and respect.
In much of the world “Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, & MIT” and “HYPSM” are also well known, highly valued, & respected.
Phrases such as "a top 20 school’ or “an elite college” seem to have much less prestige & value.
Protecting a brand’s value does not necessarily equate to a judgment about the quality of other college’s and universities. Just that that brand has value, respect, & prestige worth protecting.
Ultimately, I think Yale’s brand is Yale itself. Same with Harvard. The Ivy League is the reflected glory of those two and to a lesser degree, Princeton.
OP, you’ve written several posts about Fiske now. I’m not trying to be a killjoy, but I can’t help but feel that if I were Fiske, I’d be annoyed that you’re giving away all this info for free. It states clearly that reproducing the book is prohibited. Is it kosher to be doing this?
@Publisher did you ever come across a single school that listed Haverford as a peer? I still haven’t seen a single one. I think this is such an interesting little weird bit. Ha.
" It states clearly that reproducing the book is prohibited. Is it kosher to be doing this?"
I was going to post the same last thing last night, but the killjoy lindagaf beat me to it :-). You’re posting a lot of stuff free, I can see posting a couple of things as a teaser, but you’ve posted like pages of posts.
“In much of the world “Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, & MIT” and “HYPSM” are also well known, highly valued, & respected.”
So just for kicks I googled “most respected colleges” which I think are very reasonable search terms that a layperson would use and got the World rankings by THE. This would send the layperson into a frenzy:
After HMS, Oxford, Cambridge, sitting at 6 is Berkeley (ahead of YP) and at 9 UCLA!?!?!?!?? Now if you’re talking national, sure the US News has the standard hypsm well ahead of public flagships. But if you go outside the country, much of the world in your words, UCB, Michigan, UCLA would be considered more prestigious than most of the ivies.