It seems as though, despite the general high opinion of the school (and the 5 pens), no one seems to think of Haverford as an overlap (not just the Ivies either). That seems so strange to me.
Haverford College overlaps = Swarthmore, Hamilton, Davidson, Middlebury, Carleton, Wesleyan, Bowdoin & Amherst.
Haverford College received:
5 Pens for Academics
3 Telephones for Social Life
5 Stars for Quality of Life
I think Haverford is a quintessential LAC.
Boston College overlaps:
Harvard, Boston University, UPenn, Univ. of Virginia, Northeastern (Boston), Notre Dame, Villanova, & Georgetown.
Quote: “About 70 percent of students are Catholic, compared to 50 percent at Georgetown and 80 percent at Notre Dame.”
“Boston University is the archrival when it comes to ice hockey.”
“Boston is the college town of all college towns.”
“Students in the Undergraduate Faculty Research Fellows Program spend 100 hours per semester assisting faculty with serious research.”
Received ratings of:
4 Pens for Academics
4 Telephones for Social Life
3 Stars for Quality of Life
Strong programs:
Biology, Communications, Economics, Finance, Nursing, English, Physics, & Theology.
@milgymfam When my D was looking at LACs, she considered Swarthmore and Bryn Mawr, but was put off by Haverford’s honor code. There was lots of cheating and sabotage at her high school and she believed Haverford would be more of the same.
Yes, Haverford lists overlaps of course, but no one seems to list them as an overlap is what I meant.
@milgymfam : Yes, I understood your post. Just wanted to share that information about Haverford College.
P.S. Now I feel the need to thumb through the Fiske Guide to find schools which do list Haverford College as an overlap. But, the Ivies & other elite national universities do not.
Boston College 2018 official fact book. (As an aside, I find these incredibly useful for all schools. Prof compensation and make up. Prestigious awards. Majors. Applicants by state. Finances. Etc.)
34 competitor schools of admitted freshmen - class of 2021
Top 12 Cross Applications
Georgetown University
Villanova University
University of Notre Dame
Harvard
Virginia
U Pennsylvania
Northeastern University
Cornell
Fordham
NYU
Brown
Boston University
Top 12 Cross Admissions
Notre Dame
Villanova University
Northeastern University
Boston University
Fordham University
University of Virginia
University of Pennsylvania
Boston University
Massachusetts Amherst
USC
University of Virginia
New York University
William and Mary
Note: Competitor schools for “Top 12 Cross Applications” are determined by the number of admitted students applying to the listed colleges. Competitor schools for “Top 12 Cross Admissions” are determined by the number of admitted students admitted to the listed colleges. Neither table includes students of competitor schools who were not admitted.
Top states for applicants. Mass NY California
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@mountainsoul my D considered all three too, but was put off by Bryn Mawr and Swarthmore (for different reasons). She has found the belief in the honor code and its importance to be a common thread amongst her peers. She hasn’t run into any cheating or anything untoward as of yet.
@publisher. What does the quality of life index measure exactly?
I get the social and pen rating but this isn’t clear to me and I don’t have the guide handy.
Fiske Guide To Colleges 2020 edition:
Quality of Life: “This category grew out of the fact that schools with good academic credentials and plenty of social life may not, for one reason or another, be particularly wholesome places to spend four years.”
Examples offered:
If the academic pressure is cutthroat rather than constructive and the social system is manipulative of women, a college might get two stars for quality of life.
By contrast, a small college with modest academic programs and few social opportunities might have a strong sense of supportive community, have a beautiful campus, and be located near a wonderful city and, therefore, be rated four stars for quality of life.
As in the other categories, the reason can be found in the particular school write-up in the Fiske Guide To Colleges.
That sounds even more subjective than the pens. Perhaps a little skewed towards a particular belief system. Iron clad safety and facilities issues. Clubs etc. sure. but this seems to interpret a bit more nuanced without actually living there. Like most polls sometimes there are axes grinding in the background.
If you have the book, it is interesting to note the schools which have received four & five stars for quality of life.
Examples of 5 Star schools for Quality of Life are: Univ. of Vermont, Stanford University, Warren Wilson College, & the University of Virginia.
Examples of 4 Star schools for Quality of Life are: Amherst College, Connecticut College, Colorado College, Swarthmore, Univ. of Texas at Austin, Tufts University, Vassar College, Virginia Tech, Wash & Lee, WashUStL, Wellesley College, both Wheaton Colleges (Illinois & Massachusetts), Whitman College, Willamette Univ. (Salem, Oregon), Williams College, Harvard, Columbia & Vanderbilt University.
Do any catholic schools get 5 stars? Or Pepperdine smu or tcu etc.
Although not for everyone they may be perfect for those looking for this more conservative atmosphere. Although Georgetown and BC are actually really liberal politically.
The partying isn’t a focus so I’m ok with that part.
As an aside. My d22 is a young Dems ambassador at BC. It’s the largest student group by far and have attended the pro life speakers on campus to take all the seats and let them speak to a smaller group with no push back from faculty.
I believe that many schools are misrepresented by these things.
Cutthroat is in the eye of beholder and major usually. Not all.
But I’d like to know that in the narrative for sure.
4 Star schools for Quality of Life:
SMU, SUNY-Bing, SUNY-Geneseo, Smith College, Seattle University, Santa Clara, Univ., Univ. of San Francisco, Univ. of San Diego, St. Olaf College, St. Mary’s College of Maryland, St. John’s College (presumably both campuses–Annapolis & Santa Fe), Rice University, Rhodes College, RISD, Randolph College, Quinnipiac, Univ. of Puget Sound, Principia College, Prescott College, Presbyterian, Pepperdine Univ., Univ. of the Pacific, Univ. of Oregon, Oglethorpe (Atlanta), Occidental, Oberlin, UNC-Chapel Hill, UNC–Asheville, Muhlenberg, Mount Holyoke, Univ. of Mary Washington, Marlboro College, Macalester College, Lehigh Univ., Univ. of Kansas, James Madison, Trinity College in Dublin, Ireland, Univ. of Aberdeen (Scotland), Queen’s Univ. (Canada), McGill Univ. (Canada), Univ. of British Columbia (Canada), Indiana Univ., Illinois Wesleyan, Houghton College (NY), College of the Holy Cross, Hollins Univ., Hendrix College, Harvard University, Hampden-Sydney (Virginia), Guilford College, Gordon College, Georgetown University, Univ. of Florida, Fairfield Univ., Evergreen State , Emory Univ., Duke University, Univ. of Denver, Conn College, Columbia University, Colorado State, Colorado College, Colby College, Clemson University, Scripps, Pomona College, Univ of Chicago, College of Charleston, Calvin College, UC-Santa Barbara, UC-San Diego, UC-Davis, Butler Univ., BYU, Bennington, Beloit, Bard, Morehouse College, Amherst, Univ. of Arizona.
Alverno & Agnes Scott are also 4 Star Quality of Life School.
5 Star Quality of Life school:
Arizona State Univ. (ASU), Brown, Eckerd, Olin College of Engineering, Univ. of New Hampshire, Haverford College, Florida State (FSU), Elon, Earlham, Davidson College, Spelman College, UC-Santa Cruz, Stanford, Unv. of Virginia, University of Vermont, & Warren Wilson College.
Thx. Good stuff.
University of Richmond (3,000 fulltime students) overlaps:
Univ. of Virginia
College of William & Mary
Boston College
Wake Forest University
Georgetown
UNC-Chapel Hill
Villanova
Notre Dame
3.5 Pens for Academics
3 Telephones for Social Life
3 Stars for Quality of Life
Strong Programs:
Business Administration
Accounting
Leadership Studies
Biology
International Studies
Philosophy, Politics, Economics, and Law
Healthcare Studies
While this list of overlap schools is as expected, Bucknell University & Colgate University should also be investigated even though both are in semi-rural locations while the other overlaps are more urban.
SUNY-Binghamton (13,337 undergraduate students) overlaps:
Clemson University, Miami University in Ohio, UC-Santa Barbara, UC-Santa Cruz, College of William & Mary, Cornell University, NYU, & Boston University.
Overlap schools list is surprising.
Quote:
“Study abroad at Binghamton is huge.”
“Binghamton’s debate team is among the best in the nation.”
“Biggest complaint = the weather.”
Strong Programs:
Integrative Neuroscience
Psychology
Economics
Biological Sciences
Accounting
Engineering
Global Studies
4.5 Pens for Academics
3 Telephones for Social Life
4 Stars for Quality of Life
Claremont McKenna College Overlaps (1,340 students) :
UCal-Berkeley
UCLA
Pomona College
USC
Stanford
“Most conservative of the Claremont schools.”
Strongest Programs:
Economics
Government
International Relations
Psychology
History
Environment, Economics, and Politics
4.5 Pens for Academics
3 Telephones for Social Life
3 Stars for Quality of Life