Overseas THANKS--- The War on Terror is a Crock

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<p>Had the Danish government and Danish newspaper did the same thing as the Center for the Peforming Arts did in our town, and did it as quickly, and, specifically, called in Muslim leaders in Denmark to apologize from day one, probably none.</p>

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<p>So, you are saying that the museums that show Maplethorpe’s “art” and the governments that fund the art and the museums should also apologize and never show it again?</p>

<p>And you must also be advocating that all TV shows and movies that are offensive to various religious groups should also apologize and never show the offending shows or movies again.</p>

<p>Or is tolerance a one-way street in your town?</p>

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<p>Honestly, the main difference between the two situations (my town and Denmark) other than scale, was that in the first case, hundreds of non-Jews rallied to combat what they perceived (incorrectly) to be a slur against the Jewish community, where, in Denmark, non-Muslims were totally silent when it came to an actual, intentional slur against the Muslim one.</p>

<p>What does “Maplethorpe” have to do with it? Exactly whom does Maplethorpe “slur”? (note: the musical performance was NOT cancelled.) I don’t see why you think I am advocating anything. (I know you are, but please don’t paint me with the same brush.)</p>

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<p>Mini rewrites history with an apology. Yeah that just might work. LMAO</p>

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<p>Mini,
Thanks for the history lesson on Plato’s Republic - very enlightening.
What is or was the “Committee on Social Thought” and were you teaching and getting your PhD at the time?</p>

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<p>Mini–it’s up to the newspaper what it wants to do, but don’t you think that a government apology is tantamount to a denial of free speech? If I write something that offends someone, I don’t want the US gov “apologizing” for me. I don’t see how the Danish government can possibly apologize without compromising freedom. Which is why I sided with the ACLU when the Skokie tried to ban the Klan from marching. Free speech can’t just be inoffensive speech.</p>

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<p>Last November, I had to write a paper on the troubled relations between Islam and the Western world. At that time, the full story of the Danish cartoons was starting to emerge. </p>

<p>However, the reports about the cartoons demonizing the Prophet or showing him as a pedophile are misleading. </p>

<p>"Meanwhile, the Danish tabloid Extra Bladet got hold of a 43-page report that Danish Muslim leaders and imams, on a tour of the Islamic world are handing out to their contacts to “explain” how offensive the cartoons are. The report contains 15 pictures instead of 12. </p>

<p>The first of the three additional pictures, which are of dismal quality, shows Muhammad as a pedophile deamon <a href=“http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger40.jpg[/url]”>http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger40.jpg&lt;/a&gt;, the second shows the prophet with a pigsnout <a href=“http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger38.jpg[/url]”>http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger38.jpg&lt;/a&gt; and the third depicts a praying Muslim being raped by a dog <a href=“http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger39.jpg[/url]”>http://ekstrabladet.dk/grafik/nettet/tegninger39.jpg&lt;/a&gt;. Apparently, the 12 original pictures were not deemed bad enough to convince other Muslims that Muslims in Denmark are the victims of a campaign of religious hatred.</p>

<p>Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the 21 Danish Muslim organizations which organized the tour, explained that the three drawings had been added to “give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims.” Akkari claimed he does not know the origin of the three pictures. He said they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. However, when Ekstra Bladet asked if it could talk to these Muslims, Akkari refused to reveal their identity."</p>

<p>You can see the 12 cartoons in this article:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/698[/url]”>Danish Imams Propose to End Cartoon Dispute | The Brussels Journal;

<p>For another “viewpoint” into the mindset of fanatics, it may be appropriate to remember the murder of a Dutch movie maker:
<a href=“http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3975211.stm[/url]”>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3975211.stm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The murder of Dutch movie director Theo van Gogh in November 2004 came just two months after his highly controversial film, Submission - about the abuse of Muslim women - was shown on national TV in Holland.</p>

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<p>I suppose it’s all relative, but I would really appreciate if you would keep this discussion to the appropriate thread. This is one of the few political threads I’ve seen where people are discussing history, facts and the consequences of the current administration’s actions without all the usual posturing.</p>

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<p>OP:</p>

<p>“The War on Terror is a Crock”</p>

<p>…I guess “the usual posturing” is a relative term on CC.</p>

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<p>Time to close the thread. The thread has gone off on a tangent and there are people on here who have never seen the BBC shows.</p>

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<p>From the OP:

I think the rioting and unilateral demands of “give my religion respect while I cheer the deaths of infidels” is directly related to and reaffirms why the American people buy this “terror crap”</p>

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<p>All muslims are not terrorists FF. </p>

<p>The discussion may have started out with some hyperbole, including the title but I think it came from a genuine feeling of being misled by the administration. That is very different from a constant defense of anything and everything this govt. does coupled with relentless personal attacks on anyone that disagrees.</p>

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<p>Yup, bad week for the Muslim apologists. Time to close the thread. Just maybe quite a few of them are as nutty we feared. I don’t need some slanted “documentary” to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.</p>

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I never said that now did I?

apparently you turn a blind eye toward the personal attacks coming from the port side.</p>

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<p>I hadn’t planned on joining in, but that’s a bit much. There are people on both sides who have “genuine feelings” on current events, and they are as entitled as you are to be “relentless” in discussion. Otherwise, you’ll just end up with an insipid little symposium where everyone agrees and pats each other on the back for thinking “true thoughts,” which pretty much defines this thread.</p>

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<p>I actually was hoping that people would watch the videos and then comment on them.</p>

<p>Instead, it’s the same old BS. Boring.</p>

<p>See ya.</p>

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<p>FF,
Actually in so many words that is what I read into your comments. </p>

<p>I don’t think a lot of Americans do understand what is going on in the Middle east countries nor our part in it. They just see an extreme fundamental religion that uses violence and terrorism against anyone who doesn’t believe what they believe and as you said, the rioting and violence supports their notion of terrorists. </p>

<p>I don’t sympathize with any Muslim organization involved in 911. Bush failed to get Bin Laden and his gang of thugs and in the process he created a huge recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, divided our country and left us less safe.</p>

<p>“an insipid little symposium”<br>
Nice to know how you really feel Driver.</p>

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<p>Hmm,
I’ll admit that I was unable to get past the first episode, which is why I avoided participating in the discussion which ensued among the faith-based community. What I saw was juvenile. I was reminded of “Reefer Madness”…the same kind of laughable propaganda. I learned that: Leo Strauss invented the myth of “Manifest Destiny” and somehow engendered the “Great Awakening”–both of which had occurred long prior to his birth, but what the heck he’s a NEOCON. I learned that the concept of international Islamist terrorism is a “dark myth that has spread unquestioned.” Hello? Ever hear of the European press? That Straussian thought is strongly influenced by 50’s television–specifically, “Gunsmoke” and “Perry Mason.” That when Nasser sought to modernize Egypt, his model wasn’t Attaturk, next door, but CIA handlers who also taught him that whips could be used for torture (that had never happened in the Middle East before, naturally). This was Brit Michael Moore, reinforcing the beliefs of the believers.</p>

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<p>If posting an addendum to the Danish cartoon story was viewed as diversion from what SHOULD be discussed in this thread so be it. I still think it was noteworthy to highlight that this issue was barely noticed in the US when it surfaced in Europe, and that the facts were incorrectly reported when it hit the airwaves. This may be important when borrowing reports from overseas without checking their timeliness and relevance to today.</p>