Parents of the HS Class of 2011 - Original

<p>Junior year Son wanted to finish up his gym requirements. He went to schedule pick up (about 5 days before school started) and he had AP Psych on this schedule instead of gym. He had listed AP Psych as an alternate course. He had chapters and chapters of summer reading to do in less than a week.</p>

<p>That experience has always made me wonder about kids transferring into the school district at the end of the summer…are they supposed to read 5 books or whatever between registration and the start of school?</p>

<p>When you submit apps online, make sure you print a copy or save a copy on your computer. My’09 son is filling out a transfer application and there were those questions…how many hours in what ECs, etc. At this late date it would have been a big struggle to remember everything. I was glad I had a copy of his common app. (Gripe: the transfer app still had no place for college ECs.)</p>

<p>Thanks Madbean! Yes he has been reading up on the schools. In fact, he was looking over my shoulder when I made my previous post and said, indignantly, that he knew more about the school than “mom and dad want me to look at it,” and proceeded to tell me why it was a cool school. So I guess no worries there, he’ll do fine in that interview.</p>

<p>Just popping in to say “hi” and congrats on all finishing up the school year :slight_smile: LuckyBoy is such an overachiever :rolleyes: —apparently there are 2 separate strains of mono (who knew?) and he managed to get both! Yippee! No “saliva contact” for 2 months (hahaha) and no sports either.</p>

<p>He’s going to take the ACT tomorrow anyway. No prep whatsoever, other that reading the section at the start of the prep book explaining the format of the test. Oh well :)</p>

<p>missypie–excellent advice on printing out online apps. All that info is also useful when S or D is writing up resumes in future.</p>

<p>I’d even suggest copying and pasting in-process online apps in case the system logs you off for inactivity==and material is lost!! Happened to us. Ugh.</p>

<p>wow KLucky–both strains! Suppose S could claim it on apps as a unique “summer activity”?</p>

<p>Good luck to your S and all other kids taking tomorrow’s ACT. My S couldn’t face one more exam (finals! APs! SATIIs! Oh my!)</p>

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<p>I posted on the Vanderbilt thread, but you guys are my go-to for most information. Anyway, does anyone know about a Vandy essay supplement? Where is it? I see only basic questions on their supplemental app.</p>

<p>Here you go college4three <a href=“http://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/assets/pdf/08commonappsup.pdf[/url]”>http://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/assets/pdf/08commonappsup.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I googled, “Vanderbilt supplemental essay”</p>

<p>My daughter is going there in the fall for her Master’s degree.</p>

<p>Just catching up on the last several pages of posts-it’s been a while since I have been here.</p>

<p>blueigauna I am just blown away by your post about your son! I went through a similar experience with my son last year as a sophomore and I also told him at the time if I was putting pressure on him I was sorry-he told me I was actually probably the least pressure type of the parents he knew-that it was internal and also very competitive in his school.</p>

<p>I have had a checkered past with some of these issues so I was at least able to get him some help-starting with what I could do for him and then talking to his GC at his school-over his at first strenuous objections. He later thanked me for doing so-he was embarrassed by what was going on with him at school-he was so anxious in classes he couldn’t focus on what was going on at times during class. I was alerted to the problem when his progress report came home-yes I admit at first I read him the riot act about why his grades had dropped but when the reason came out I was ashamed of my reaction. I am happy to tell you that with a little help from the school-something as simple as the GC contacting his teachers about what was going on with him and giving him the ability to leave a class if necessary (he never had to) he got better.</p>

<p>The whole experience helped me focus on what are absolutely, in my opinion, my most important goals as his parent-to get him as well prepared as I can to go into this world on his own two feet to live the life he is intended to live, whatever that may be-and to understand that happiness in life is “an inside job”-not to define his life by what others (including even me!) think he should be doing. </p>

<p>I can forget that so easily in this competitive town I live in that is scares me.</p>

<p>Your post helped me remember what is really important-thank you for sharing that with me.</p>

<p>@kathiep: Thanks for the link. I am always grateful and never surprised at the helpfulness I find here. Also, congrats to your daughter and good luck with her Master’s.
Anyway, I have scrutinized the supplement and found no evidence of a supplemental essay. Someone on the Vandy thread suggested this may be only for scholarships. The only reason I’m looking for this info now is because, like you guys, I want S to get these essays out of the way this summer.
Maybe they have streamlined the process and want just the common app essay?</p>

<p>First: Good luck to all test-takers today! My D went glumly off to her 2nd ACT. It was SO much more fun to sign up for it than to get up early and go take it. But maybe she’ll be done after this one. Only a total nerd would find these things fun (OK, I was one of those nerds…).</p>

<p>Pepper - your post was very inspiring. I like “happiness is an inside job.”</p>

<p>Somewhere I read or heard that no matter what we’re seeing on the outside, kids are way harder on themselves inside than we ever imagine. This does not mean that I back off completely, but I stop and think for a minute about whether I should jump on my girls about something, and at least do a check-in with them first. Of course often even when they’re hard on themselves they don’t deal with it constructively, so yes, a kid who’s really stressed but then just watches TV all the time instead of making a real plan does need nudging, or even stern nudging. But it seems every day I’m having this little conversation with myself about “Is this really her being lazy/apathetic/disorganized/sloppy, or is it the best she can do, all things considered … or is it actually not so bad when I stop and think about it?” </p>

<p>It’s a basic “count-to-ten” approach, and it’s kind of the only way to approach this kid. Not so much a “kid-gloves” issue, but the only way to make sure she learns something instead of just being mad or hurt. She’s more resilient all the time, rather than a turtle pulling into a shell.</p>

<p>Yesterday was a big day for my D - shopping for her first “real” saxophone. We found a great guy who repairs and sells wonderful instruments. She played about 8 of them and took one home for a few days to make sure she’s really in love. It definitely was one she could play all day long, and sounded beautiful … and it looks cool, too. She’s nervous about letting us make this investment; it’s not a huge cost, about 3 years’ worth of rental, and probably an excellent resale value, but she knows it means something. She was sorry the one she liked was at the top of our price range - but I told her that I’d set that price range very thoughtfully and am absolutely willing to pay it.</p>

<p>I’m telling the story because the process became part of the learning experience - we had a talk about how you grow up, how your interests get refined. I think this transition from Junior to Senior year is very significant, and for her, the saxophone is a great illustration.</p>

<p>Juniors are trying to do as much as they can, as deeply as they can, as well as they can, because it’s the last full year colleges see, and in a lot of ways they are the go-to kids at the HS to get a lot done in ECs, because they’re so focused. </p>

<p>Senior year has a dual quality - in some things they continue to strive for “achievement,” in a measurable and public way, such as finishing off their sports/theater/music/academic team career at their goal level, or filling a leadership role they’ve always looked forward to, or simply competing a program of academics that they are proud of. But in other things they are more private, more personal and often less quantitative. I think for a lot of kids, even when they fulfill those public goals, they find their heart is a little less in it than they’d expected, but I would say to them that this is normal - they are ready to leave the HS arena, and naturally those rewards might feel a little thinner than they’d always dreamed (even from a few months before, when they were a Junior). </p>

<p>Senior year is when a kid might find their energy is going more for the kinds of things to do or ways to be that they will continue in college - perhaps an activity that has no actual place in HS, or maybe something they do for the pure enjoyment of, whether people in HS see it, or care about it, at all. </p>

<p>I think finding these things helps senioritis, and I also think it helps them have the stamina for the HS stuff - if you have everything invested in a place that suddenly loses its appeal, that’s way harder than just seeing it as a part of your life, and having somewhere else to “recharge.” My D1 had a great academic record and an ED acceptance to her dream school locked up by December; she managed to stay sane the rest of the year by 1) making a few personal goals and sticking with them, while also letting herself off the hook a bit, 2) enjoying a few low-pressure hobbies to relax, and also finding a more mature enjoyment in some of the other activities she had (this was when she finally “got” playing jazz), and 3) putting more of her energy in helping the underclassmen enjoy the activities in which she was so fortunate herself to have had support from older students. It was still a hard year, but it didn’t go completely to pot, fortunately.</p>

<p>D2, while not the same kind of conventional achiever, has had a Junior year to be proud of. Many of her interests and activities will come to a nice peak this coming year, and she should have the most rewarding academic year of all, too. But I’m also encouraging her to see what she does also as “lifelong loves,” and this is why we’re investing in the saxophone now. She spent many years as a very committed band student, but spring of 10th grade that fell apart (too long a story to tell - please believe that we are well-supported in saying that the band teacher was horrible to her, regardless of the fact that she was one of the most talented and dedicated kids in the program). She tried to play on her own this year, but had a lot of other activities, and the saxophone got a little lost for the past 6 months.</p>

<p>What I’m hoping she’ll understand, and feel, is that her relationship with the sax is HERS. It’s not what chair she is in band, or what scores she gets in music competitions, or even what anyone thinks about how she plays. Right now it’s all about just loving to play it. And that’s something she’s gotten a hold of again, in a mature, lasting way, and that’s why I want her to own one. She needs the freedom to take it to college, as part of the collection of things in her life, as part of who she is, as SHE defines it. </p>

<p>I had my own personal vision for Junior year, and I couldn’t be happier. I have another vision for Senior year - again, more about HOW she is, WHO she is - and I think she is starting her first steps with that, becoming the kid after HS who takes what she did and what she learned, and makes her life from it.</p>

<p>And as a bonus, this summer she has the part of a sassy, jazzy saxophone player in a play (not in the pit, but an acting part). I’m so looking forward to seeing it, after our experience a year ago, where someone tried to take her pride and joy in this instrument away from her. No one but us will really know what it will mean to see her up there, holding that instrument, having that identity. It will be a wonderful first step on this new path.</p>

<p>D2 also off at her ACT; didn’t really complain too much and after this morning, summer can finally begin in earnest…</p>

<p>She actually asked me yesterday if she can take it in September again (which would make 3) if she doesn’t hit her target…my response was, “I’m not going to tell you what to do, but I would prefer this to be it”…as it is, her score is a wee bit higher than her GPA would indicate (and I do get concerned that it would be interpreted as “lazy” which she certainly isn’t)…</p>

<p>on another note, can someone tell me what educational philosophy is being used to cause a regular college prep (non-honors) math final (alg II) to be significantly more difficult than the entire year of tests? My daughter’s math final was impossible; class average was a 75 (so obviously the whole class bombed)…and all the teacher told them to prepare was to re-do all their tests and quizzes for the year…I can’t decide if I should even broach this subject with her school…just doesn’t seem to make sense to me but I’m not up on math pedagogy…</p>

<p>anyone wanna chime in? I’m stumped…</p>

<p>^I think it would be appropriate to ask the head of the department if this is standard procedure.</p>

<p>EmmyBet, What a beautiful post! As a spouse of a life-long trumpet player I sort of understand the relationship between a person and their instrument. My husband put down his instrument for about fifteen years but picked it up again about ten years ago and now plays in a Philadelphia area band about three times a month. It’s been a wonderful outlet for his more artistic side. His 9 - 5 job is as an engineer.</p>

<p>rodney, In our school district the chairs of the department often make up the mid-term and final exams so even though all of the teachers that teach one subject are supposed to be going at the same pace and covering the same material, it just doesn’t turn out that way. I remember the 8th grade math teacher being very disgruntled about the Algebra I final because she only saw it a couple of days before the exam and the kids were probably less prepared then their cohorts at the HS. I understand that the state of PA is planning on making tests similar to the New York state regents exams which may serve as the final exam and those would be done by some “committee”. I am very glad this is my last child to go through the system.</p>

<p>I’ve seen this final-mismatch thing happen. At our school, the finals are not listed on the transcript, and they are only 20% of the semester grade (each quarter is 40%), so usually even a really bad final won’t hurt too much. </p>

<p>The ups and downs of district and statewide decisions on the “right way” to do things … I, too, am glad to be done with this game in a year. </p>

<p>Thanks, kathie - my kids both know many artistic people, professionals, vocationals, avocationals, “hobbyists,” and they both seem to know very well that a life with music or any art does not have to be subject to outside judgment or measure. </p>

<p>Both girls sing, and the older one plays the piano and percussion, so this is our first “real” instrument purchase. It may pick up dust at times, but you can’t play an instrument if one isn’t available. We found out with this summer show that at a certain point you have to own your own, or it’s pointless to say “I play such-and-such.” It will come in handy in college, I know.</p>

<p>I told her that after college she would have the freedom to sell it if she really wants to, but that I would hope she would only do that if she is starving! When you lose an instrument, you have a real gap in your life. I was fortunate (in the days before keyboards) to be able to be piano-less only at a few times (it sure makes moving interesting!). My older D has gotten a decent keyboard and a basic guitar for some of her recent birthdays, and she and her college friends sit around and sing quite a bit. She’s looking forward to inheriting my piano (which I inherited), but I’ve told her she may have to wait until she’s 60 until I’m done with it!</p>

<p>Thank you everyone for your input and advice. It is much appreciated!</p>

<p>KLucky, sorry about the mono. I hope lucky boy does well. S is taking ACT today also, with minimal prep. I paid for the online prep and I think he spent about 1/2 hour on it. It is unlikey he will do better than he did on the SAT’s so I did not “encourage” him to study for it. </p>

<p>For whatever reason, S has very little reading to do over this summer. 3 AP classes and only three books to read. </p>

<p>missypie, thanks for the app suggestion. we will make sure to keep copies of everything.</p>

<p>SDMomof3, Good luck to your S on the interview. We are hoping we can set up a few this summer for S. </p>

<p>madbean, your H is just like mine. I am a very shy person, well I was before kids. Now I keep putting myself out there because I don’t want my kids to grow up shy. So I am more involved, more questioning and more pushy than my nature for my kids. But, I don’t think I would have been able to talk my way into a closed building. My H does those things all the time. </p>

<p>H got tickets to see Keith Urban, The Dixie Chicks and the Eagles tonight for all of us. Kids are not happy…at all. D has a sleepover bday party she wants to attend and S wants to relax with friends. H thinks this is a good way to start the summer as a family. 10yo D got out of the concert after shedding a few tears and becoming very emotional. S is accepting the fact that his attendance is expected at the concert, but is not happy. This is family time dammit…and you’ll enjoy it or else! …sigh… So we have one extra ticket, anyone in MA want to go to a concert with us tonight? ;-)</p>

<p>My D too is off taking ACT today. We didn’t sign up for the writing but found out that her first choice requires ACT with writing so had to try and get added to that group this morning. It all worked out and hopefully this will be the last time. She has the problem of test score being lower than GPA would indicate on SAT and ACT but ACT is not that far off. A few more points and we will be all set.</p>

<p>College rep visits for next year are already being posted on Naviance. I guess this signals the start of the college search and application process for rising seniors.</p>