<p>Isn’t the Math2 pretty close to the SAT math ?
The Math 2 has more advanced math than math 1, right?
Shouldn’t scores over 700 be in a nice ballpark?</p>
<p>If thos estats are right–then less than 10% of those taking the SAT are taking the Math 2…and being in the top half of that 10%, really puts the kid up there…or am I missing something?</p>
<p>FWIW, our student took Math2, Chem and Physics…
thought physics the most challenging only because a few questions included the physics of elec-which the honors class didn’t cover…However did fine on all three. </p>
<p>The subjects tests material isn’t the same for each exam session and varies widely, so retaking to raise a score is helpful, though not a guarantee since the body of the exam. will differ.</p>
<p>my son took the test, thought he got everything right and ended up with a 730. we sent it. His regular math section on the SAT1 was higher. I think that even for the schools that are math-centric, they know that difference between scores can be one or two questions—no one’s idea of a deal breaker, especially if the academic record is consistently good. I really do recall seeing MITChris (jeez I spend too much time here) state that anything around 700 is just fine with them.</p>
<p>MIT requires Math SAT II score, so have to send it there anyway. My son took the test. We are sending all of his scores with a 7 or 8 as first number (fortunately that is all of them), which was the advice of our pricy private counselor. He said that Math SAT II is viewed as harder than the Math SAT and that sending a bunch of scores in the 700s is a good way to show the student’s range and competence in variety of subjects. I do not think Adcoms focus on percentiles in the way posters on this thread have expressed. I think they perceive someone who scored in the 700-750 range on an SAT II as have done well and someone who scored 750-800 to have done very well.</p>
<p>I was one who suggested not to submit, but did not think it would be a deal breaker if the score was submitted. Without sounding obnoxious, my S got an 800 on the Math section of the SAT and the Math2 SAT II. My understanding is that most of the students who take either Math SAT II are strong Math students. Three of seven of my S’s schools require a Math SAT II altho they may have allowed 1 or 2, I forgot.</p>
<p>My son also got an 800 on the Math section of the SAT and the Math2 SAT II. But we would have sent a 720. In any case certainly agree with FLmathmom that this is not a decision that will make a difference either way. My son is not applying to sciency places except for MIT, so perhaps this explains the advice he got.</p>
<p>720 is a very good score. But since RM S’s colleges are asking for 2 SAT II and he has other 2 scores in the 750+ range, 720 won’t help. </p>
<p>Most likely it won’t make any difference. It is not easy to figure out what adcoms will do with it, since not all colleges spell it out. But Dartmouth, for example, says that they will look at 2 highest scores (provided that they are for different subjects). If this is for a fact what they do, it should make no difference.</p>
<p>Here is a little anecdote. We attended Bowdoin info session last spring. I consider it to be one of the best info sessions that we’ve been to. The presenter was their Director of Admissions (but then again, I don’t think he has huge staff there). Bowdoin is a test optional school. The director told us that not sending test scores won’t negatively affect your application; they will look at other information (GPA, class rank, etc.). But, if you send scores and they are bad, that will hurt you. The lesson that I learned from that is “Don’t volunteer any information that is not required, if it can negatively impact your application.”</p>
<p>Again, I am not saying that 720 is a bad score.</p>
<p>I agree that it probably won’t help at any of the elite schools, and it might hurt if he is looking to major in a math/science/engineering field. I would just send the two higher scores, since that is all that is required.</p>
<p>It is possible to increase the score on retaking. S took Math II in June of soph year and got a 740. He misjudged his time and wasn’t able to finish all of the questions. He retook it this past June and got an 800 (without any studying to speak of). The score was comparable to his SAT I score in math (he missed one question and got a 770).</p>
<p>keylime - That reminds me of the advice I gave my S on one of his essays which started out saying that two years ago he never heard of this school, but now that he has he loves it because (I’m paraphrasing to simplify). I STRONGLY suggested that there was no upside in telling them he never heard of them.</p>
<p>Aniger: At my son’s MIT interview, his EC said anything with a 7 in front is considered “fine.” (Her word.) On the Oct. SAT, apparently one mistake out of all the math problems was a 770. I know that on the May SAT, four errors out of a total of 34 was a 700. Just an example of the scoring minutiae.</p>
<p>D is applying to a few of those elite schools as well, and if she had a 720 on any of her SAT IIs, I would definitely advise her to send it in – even if it were in a science or math subject. Assuming the other scores have 7s in front, the APs (or IBs) and gpa look good, I think it at least shows consistency at a high level.</p>
<p>Wow! I just saw older’s response. Yes. One of the things I keep reminding my D of (when she is down about receiving a “low” grade) is not to lose the big picture. Most kids will never see a score with a 6 in front, let alone a 7 or 8!! MIT knows this as well.</p>
<p>Pat on the back for me - I filed the Profile today!! Feels good. Also convinced my S to mail in his paper LORs in advance of the apps he will be submitting in the next two weeks. Thanks everyone on your advice re: that topic.</p>
<p>FlMathMom - I am always on the lookout for things like that. And I would also STRONGLY suggest changing the essay. It’s amazing how our very smart kids don’t have a gut feeling about things like that.</p>
<p>Can anyone WHO OWNS A BUSINESS and routinely completes this schedule give guidance on this form…</p>
<p>It is asking for elaborate book balances/accounting for the beg of 201 and close of 2010—from IRS schedule 1120 1120S etc…</p>
<p>How does this get completed when those IRS schedules and taxes for 2010 are not done yet? How is possible to complete this for Nov 1. These are complex numbers not guess-timates…</p>
<p>And for that matter–how could anyone give an estimate for this form for 2011?? The Fed can’t do even do thatwith accuracey! Our business acct had not seen this one before…knew of the FAFSA, yet not this “supplementary form” </p>
<p>I so dont want to mess this thing up…given the magic that happens behind the FinAid curtain… :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I had to take refuge back in this thread. I wandered over to the SAT Forum where students posting about their scores from October. (I apologize in advance if these next comments are about your children.) There are students over there with totals scores over 2300 who are disappointed and plan to take it again. Please, get a life. Find something else to do that day!</p>
<p>I have heard several Admissions officers from ivies, MIT etc
ALL say they are not impressed by habitual test takers…and the difference between a 2300, 2340, 2370 etc…is really nothing to them as an admissions committee</p>
<p>They want to admit “real teens”…who go out and “enjoy their Saturday”, not sit thorugh another SAT trying for a perfect 2400…
thats almost verbatim…</p>
<p>Have heard it more than once straight from the source…
and
frankly there is no way to believe the posts here on CC…
there are more claims than statistically proven…</p>
<p>MIT Chris posted some interesting admit facts–amazing how many val did NOT get accepted…
IMHO
it’s not because you kid needs to be better—
its about the kid being real, having passion and not coming off too “groomed” , kwim</p>
<p>Sorry fogfog - We are Schedule C people. Hubby is an independent contractor. I guess your questions are different from ours. </p>
<p>I just put some estimates in last year’s Turbotax to give them my best estimates for 2010 & 2011. So far I only sent it to one school which has a Nov 2010 deadline. All the rest have 2011 deadlines. I’ll probably wait until early Jan to redo it with better estimates that will also equal the FAFSA numbers. I’ll use that version to send to the remaining 3 schools. </p>
<p>If my S gets into this first school (reach), then I’ll sent them any significant changes. I don’t understand why they don’t accept updated info. You have to MAIL each school the updated changes. For our $16 fee per school, you’d think we’d get better service. Maybe they need a competitor.</p>
<p>D had her Harvard alumni interview today. Turns out her interviewer used to be my OB-GYN! I really liked her and was disappointed several years ago when she switched to another practice that didn’t take my insurance. Anyway, D had a really great (and long) interview. She knows her chances of getting into Harvard are almost nil, but it’s worth a try.</p>
<p>Profile day is on my calendar - November 11th. I’ll sit at the kitchen table with my laptop until it’s done! Kind of like when my Mom used to force us to sit at the table until we finished our liver and onions…</p>
<p>OM: I remember those days of the liver and onions. I would have to put some salad on my fork first and skewer the liver; eating them together would help a bit. My mom seriously believed that it was a healthy, iron thing to do.</p>
<p>When I just read the responses to my SAT II math question, I was overwhelmed by how many chimed in to offer advice. THANK YOU. It was so helpful to hear from you. We’ve decided to not include the scores as they won’t add anything positive to his app. Glad that hurdle has been scaled. The next one is getting that one teacher to submit her recommendation by Monday (and hopefully sooner so that she won’t experience a CA program crash), otherwise his 4 early apps are done.</p>
<p>My son has been invited by his girlfriend’s family to go to their country home for the weekend. It will be the first weekend in a long time that he’ll have a break from the college app stuff. It’s well deserved.</p>