<p>@ mommydearest … D would be ecstatic if Olin was stalking her! LOL!! Recently it’s been Hofstra, Drexel, RPI, & Embry Riddle. I’m not sure how or why they choose which students to target.</p>
<p>Ds CC says in her (vast) experience, the EDII statistics are roughly the same as EDI, i.e. a school that take 25% EDI takes about that in EDII. I do think it is fair to assume that an EDII candidate didn’t get into their EDI (maybe some exceptions b/c the deadline is later), but so what? If a student is ready to commit in the EDII round, the admissions office knows this is NOW the first choice and a yes for its yield if accepted. However, maybe I am biased, because my D has a Plan A (EDI) and Plan B (EDII), if she needs it. At Ds schools we know several kids last year getting into EDII, after a less successful EDI, and are then pretty darn happy–it does wonders for short term memory loss.</p>
<p>Some schools say they give equal advantage to ED I and ED II, but I think it depends somewhat on the school. Just think about why they use ED: 1) they use the ED round to lock up recruited athletes and in some cases to give special consideration to legacies; 2) they use ED to manage yield and keep their overall admit rate down; 3) they use ED to build a core of the class around people who are genuinely happy to be there, having indicated this school is their #1 choice; 4) they use ED to build the core of the class by locking up enrolled students who fit their statistical targets. </p>
<p>I take it reason #1 substantially goes away by ED II, but that shouldn’t do anything to decrease the chances of the unhooked ED II applicant. Reason #3 diminishes somewhat from EDI to EDII; it’s likely a large fraction of the ED II admits had the school as their second choice and didn’t get into their first choice ED I or SCEA, but many of them will still be happy to be at their second choice. Reasons #2 and #4 don’t change at all from ED I to ED II, unless, I suppose, they’ve already filled up so much of their class in the ED I round that there’s less urgency in ED II from the school’s perspective. Realistically, though, a lot of schools adopted ED II because they wanted to have a shot at highly qualified second-pass applicants who are rebounding from ED I or SCEA rejections or deferrals. So I think if your stats are above the school’s target SAT/ACT, GPA etc., applying ED II is going to be roughly as advantageous as applying ED I at most schools that offer an ED II option.</p>
<p>I’m stressing over the ED/RD thing. D wants to apply ED to her #1, but I have 2 concerns - 1) that she’ll change her mind over the next 6 months, and 2) that it won’t be affordable. </p>
<p>On the other hand, if it won’t be an affordable option in the end, better to know sooner rather than later anyway.
It is one of the 2 reachiest schools on her list, and one where applying ED could make a difference. (hard to know though - I’ve also heard that after the “preferential” ED students are picked up, the remainder of the ED slots are actually students with higher stats than the RD picks.)</p>
<p>I’m also debating about whether or not to send SAT scores, and I need to figure that out and decide this week. Her ACT scores were already sent - slightly better than the SAT scores. The SATs are fine, but according to the concordance tables, the ACT is 30-60 pts higher (20-30 on each section) Part of me thinks I should send both since they demonstrate that she performed well on both - some schools said that you should send both because you don’t know how the scores will fall out in comparison to the other applicants, and they’ll take whichever benefits you more.
But I don’t know… anyone have any insight?</p>
<p>I think since the scores are so similar it will show consistency. I don’t think it will hurt her either way. If it is more of an SAT school, I would send them, if they are more of an ACT school, don’t send.</p>
<p>CMU finally sent my D her the email saying that her application was received! Since she has applied ED and must interview in November, I was anxious to get her time scheduled. So, as of this morning, she has an interview/portfolio review set up over Sleeping Bag Weekend. Good grief, I’ve spent a lot of money with CMU!</p>
<p>well, as of tonight, DD has decided ED II will benefit her the most. But, we do have emails out to the GC to see what her experience has been. if it is only the one SAT II…who knows. But, ED II sounds okay to me.</p>
<p>Drmom, we talked to an ad rep who said it was fine to send a Nov 6 SAT II score for a Nov 1 deadline at her school. S just has to indicate that the test was taken and the score is coming–so it may be worthwhile to call admissions and ask. </p>
<p>S finished reboot of CA essay this afternoon and I was cautiously pleased. It seemed a little edgy, though, so I put the words in google and came across a site where kids post their essays to be critiqued. Nice idea, except there was his 'edgy ’ topic exactly in an essay by some other teen. Three years ago. For exact same college. </p>
<p>Sigh. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. How wide is the experience of most 17-year-olds?</p>
<p>MomofNEA: yes, I agree with you. In fact, I think that the schools we visited last spring said what you said, that the November dates are fine. I was not in the room when my DD asked the rep (not her state) about her problem. I am not sure how she worded it. I told her to email the rep of her state and ask the question, stating how much she wanted to apply ED I. She “might” do that “but for now, I am applying EDII”. I sent an email to her GC, just to see what info she has. I know some schools like Brown state “all scores by October dates”; but others do say the November Date is fine. I just don’t know what this particular admissions officer was trying to convey. Unless she misunderstood my DD.</p>
<p>We spent the evening with Princeton, Harvard, and UVA. I didn’t learn anything new, but my S was sold on all of them - all they have to do is mention food. No sign in sheets - I guess they don’t care about showing interest.</p>
<p>The response to the CA essay question, and I quote “500 words is the LIMIT, not a threshold to be surpassed.”</p>
<p>I knew I loved UVa.</p>
<p>I have serious insomnia tonight. D had a meltdown and is clearly overwhelmed. She’s decided to push off an EA app to her dream school to RA since she’s afraid she can’t get her essay done well enough. <em>sigh</em>.</p>
<p>Her grades have seriously suffered this quarter and she’s trying to prioritize all these homework & projects, club responsibilities, college app & scholarship essays, and everything else. She’s so worried about her grades preventing her from getting into the school(s) she really wants to attend. Poor thing hasn’t done anything social except the homecoming dance in weeks. </p>
<p>IDK what to do at this point. Out of ideas as to how to help her stay motivated. :(</p>
<p>Insomnia here too!</p>
<p>Yesterday was one of those IB triumph days where the final draft of the EE was due. D13 was ecstatic to get that out of the way! I frankly do not know who was happier, her or I.</p>
<p>Hugs to you Carimama! Hugs to your D as well! None of this is easy. I admire the heck out of these kids who are working their tails off. The pressure can sometimes be through the roof. I just feel that if they can make it through these types of demands they are more than likely going to be successful at the next stage of life. </p>
<p>Speaking of burning it at both ends, D13 is up right now working on some Essays and remaining school work. Last year parents of upper classmen told me that the Junior year would be the hardest and it would slow down the Senior year. I frankly would like to know when that will occur. It seems worse. There is not enough hours in the day to fulfill all the commitments. My daughters go to phrase in these times is “Jesus take the wheel!”</p>
<p>On a brighter note, DH has decided to take D13 on a College visit next weekend. We didn’t think we could swing it at first, but the timing works out great with minimal cost. It has given D13 something to look forward to, and motivation to tighten up those essays.</p>
<p>We’re feeling the stress here too. Grades are OK, but I keep hoping the team doesn’t make the playoffs so the season will be over next week! Application to Pitt finally submitted last night, common app main essay is down to 500 words exactly, but the rest of the form is not done. No work on the EA school essays yet either. She really liked the school she overnighted at this weekend - great school, coach seems fantastic, and I was half hoping she would decide to apply ED to save the stress the rest of the year, but she is still hesitating. Her other favorite school is too far away to visit easily; we won’t see it again until January. We had the talk about the possibility that she may not get into her top 2 choices RD, but she will have other good choices if that happens, and that she will end up where ever she is supposed to be. I just hope there are no regrets come April about her application decisions!</p>
<p>Just remember that by Jan 1, only a little over 2 months from now, the vast majority of this craziness will be done. So, the whole school year won’t be so time constrained and overwhelming.</p>
<p>Carimama- I feel your and D’s stress. This is a really busy, tough time. I think I would encourage her to finish the ED app. Some of the stress is from feeling nervous about applying ED and trying to make that essay perfect. If she gets that app out, then she will have that stress off her head. Otherwise she could be tinkering with the essay and stressing till January 1. Maybe a deadline is a good thing here?</p>
<p>Another day! Good luck everyone!</p>
<p>I’m stressed because I’m sitting at CCM waiting for her to go in and observe her first class. She is intimidated by everyone including the janitor, she says. Her first class is sight singing and theory. She claims they are probably all so good that they close their eyes while sighting while playing an oboe in a different key. Lol</p>
<p>What is the “rule” on calling financial aid offices? We need to start getting some numbers back from schools for DD. Is it ok if I initiate this process. She has already been accepted. With their hours and DD’s schedule, she can’t really call. Thoughts?</p>
<p>I thought the rule was always that parents could step in and help with financial aid issues. They expect parents to be paying the bill, they know we have questions.</p>
<p>I’d call SteveMA. I personally don’t think kids need to know all the details of the financial aid process. Your kiddos have done the part they are expected to do :)</p>